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Thursday, April 14, 2005

Cutting through

Gush Shalom is a large Israeli peace group. It publishes a weekly advertisement in Haaretz newspaper. This ad will be published tomorrow:


On the eve of Sharon's Texas visit, three unarmed Palestinian boys were killed by the Israeli army.

In retaliation of the killing, which violated the cease-fire, dozens of mortar shells and Kassam rockets were fired, as expected, at Gush Kativ [Jewish colony in Gaza].

Sharon used this shelling in order to convince President Bush that the Palestinian leadership has collapsed and that Abu Mazen should not be supported. He failed.

Remain the questions: Why were the boys killed? Who is responsible? Who will investigate?


Anonymous Anonymous said...

why where they killed?

They where in a closed military zone acting suspiciously, possibly smuggling weapons, but most importantly ignored warning shots, and calls to stop.

All this from the new yourk times

Who is responsible? I would think we are all responsible for our actions,
these kids are responsible for theirs.

Who will investigate? Why bother? The facts are there. Either they where extremely stupid and where playing soccer 300 meters away from a closed military zone in the middle of a warzone. Or they where involved in the lucrative smuggling trade.

Friday, April 15, 2005 2:14:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're an idiot. Seriously how demented is that, to contrive ANY justification for shooting UNARMED CHILDREN is moronic in the extreme and offensive to the most basic human values. When it comes to children, it shouldn't be a matter of shoot first, ask questions later. Not to mention, your absurd propostition of shoot first, dont ask questions but presume simply deserved to die because they are either a) stupid, or b) smugglers. Neither of these are a just cause for killing a child.

Friday, April 15, 2005 9:29:00 am  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Why would the IDF shoot unarmed children? Let me see. They've been doing it for years. Guess what, it's not just Palestinians who kill innocent people. Hard to believe, but them's the facts. In this case, who knows what really happened, but frankly, the IDF are known liars, so we shall see.

Friday, April 15, 2005 9:32:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They weren't little kids, they were teenagers or young men... this is like how in the US every drug-dealing teen who gets in a shootout with the cops winds up being lionized as an honours student in the wrong place at the wrong time in the press...

Friday, April 15, 2005 10:57:00 am  
Blogger syed-m said...

Let's not forget an even bigger question. What's the IDF doing on Palestinian land? No occupation, no children (errant or otherwise) being shot at by Israeli soldiers or settlers.

Friday, April 15, 2005 11:09:00 am  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Indeed. Don't mention the occupation, whatever you do. Most commentators and blind supporters of Israel would rather not. But this is the main source of the country's problems. End the occupation. Now. But hey, that doesn't suit Sharon's agenda. Or Bush.

Friday, April 15, 2005 11:16:00 am  
Anonymous Ari said...

anthony; the IDF would not shoot armed children and goes out of its way to do so. These wheren't children, from 300 meters you cant't tell a difference between a 17/16 year old and a 25 year old.

Everyone knows that the IDF also kills innocent civilians. You can take every measure possible to try to minimise casualties, train soldiers as much as possible, use the most accurate weapons, and still civilians are going to get killed. Civilians die in every war. The difference between the israely army and the palestinians is that the IDF does not target civilians ON PURPOSE. These 'kids' wheren't shot in the middle of the street, they would have seen the border fence, and any signs warning people to stay out. They knew the risks and even if they where taking part in an innocent activity such as soccer they where aware that they where doing so 300 meter from a military position.

For the record, when the settlements in gaza, and most of the west bank are removed, an they will be, the conflict wont end. The palestinians dont view the settlements as the main problem their main concern are the refugees. And there's no way in hell that israel is going to allow them to return. This settlement issue is just a short term goal in the broad campaign to resettle 5 million arabs in israel proper. The issues of refugees should have been solved before the settlements.

Friday, April 15, 2005 12:36:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why the occupation? Um, are you forgetting a little something called the Six-Day War?

Do you think Israel, even at 1948 borders, even has a right to exist? It seems like you want to keep blaming everything on those pesky Jews (of which I believe you are one) who insist on defending themselves...

Friday, April 15, 2005 2:48:00 pm  
Anonymous b.i.lucas said...

yet more evidence that "the IDF does not target civilians ON PURPOSE"...?

Israel Clears Officer of Killing Journalist Who Had White Flag

...let alone the notion that the IDF can be entrusted to appropriately deal with such perpetrators in their ranks...

"The difference between the israely (i?) army and the palestinians is that" the loss of civilian life attributed to actions by palestinian groups results in front page stories with generous helpings of outrage and condemnation, yet when loss of civilian life is attributed to actions by the IDF, well, it's "reasonable" apparently.

Monday, April 18, 2005 1:07:00 am  

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