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Thursday, August 04, 2005

The real war on terror

Juan Cole explains the origins of Islamic fundamentalism. Let's not forget, he says, that the Reagan administration funded numerous terrorist organisations - "freedom fighters" in his deluded mindset - and helped sustain a global network of US-supported fanatics. Christian fundamentalists loved the Mujahideen as alleged fighters against Soviet communism.

Reaganites loved the concept of creating a new world order led by US-backed militias in various corners of the world. The Saudi government was central in this thinking, working closely with the Americans to facilitate weapons training for the once anti-Soviet Islamic forces. Unfortunately, most of these individuals and groups are now the very same people fighting America in Iraq, Afghanistan et al.

Nobody says it better than Cole:

"The American Right, having created the Mujahideen and having mightily contributed to the creation of al-Qaeda, abruptly announced that there was something deeply wrong with Islam, that it kept producing terrorists."


Blogger Shabadoo said...

Old Prof Cole was a misquoting old soul...

Seriously, though, there is more silliness and racism packed in this post than anything I've seen here in a while. Ant, you're going to have to do better if you want to try and figure out the roots of al Qaeda, which were sown about 1,300 years ago during and after the Flight to Medina. That's what gives people like the wonderfully-named Hasan Butt their inspiration:

Taseer: Who do you have allegiance to?

Butt: My allegiance is to Allah, his Shari’a, his way of life. Whatever he dictates as good is good, whatever as bad is bad.

Butt: I don't see it happening in my lifetime. 1,400 years ago you had a small city-state in Medina, and within ten years of the Prophet (peace be upon him), Islam had spread to Egypt and all the way into Persia. I don't see why the rest of the world, the White House, 10 Downing Street, shouldn't come under the banner of Islam. And this is what we believe: we are going to set the foundation for Islam bringing true peace, true security to the world.

Taseer: Will there be a lot of killing?

Butt: I can't see it not happening. Even what I say is very naïve. I can see Islam bringing peace to humanity for a short period, but man being what he is, being very rebellious and arrogant, he will naturally cause rebellion.

Are you going to find some early American Republicans were hanging out in Medina, pumping up Mohammed's troops across the sand while at the same time promoting racism and intolerance at home? Get real, mate. Not every evil thing a non-Westerner does can be traced back to the West -- these people have their own motive forces, you know.

Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:13:00 pm  
Blogger weezil said...

The Americans' enemy's enemy needs more guns, apparently.

Shabadoo, you of course have much greater credibility than Juan Cole.





Friday, August 05, 2005 10:14:00 am  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

And that as a response to my criticism how exactly? Way to engage the argument.

Juan Cole is an idiot with a big pulpit who has defended payments to suicide bombers' families by the Saudis and Saddam; pushed an anti-Semitic divestment campaign and has an obsession with Jewish/Likud 'cabals' that control American politics that borders on Protocols-level; routinely misquotes and distorts facts to support his worldview; regularly defends Hezbollah; and is little more than a conspiracy theorist with a PhD.

So no, I don't think he has a helluva lot of credibiltiy.

Me, I'm just trying to engage with people who seem to find facts confronting.

Friday, August 05, 2005 10:35:00 am  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

History confronts people, clearly.
To not understand how the US essentially built the Islamist movement we have today is not just ignorant, it's delusional.
But hey, let's not look too closely at ourselves. Much more fun to say they're all CRAZY!

Friday, August 05, 2005 10:51:00 am  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

History? You want history? From the very beginning Islam was violent and expansionist and sought to impose a dark ages Arabian lifestyle on the world. Did America back up the House of Saud? Sure. Was that a bad idea in retrospect? No question. But let's not act like everything was all sweetness and light before the big bad 'Mericans came around.

Friday, August 05, 2005 12:15:00 pm  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

Shab, calling Cole an idiot is not an argument. Have a read of this:

Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:04:00 pm  

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