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Friday, November 25, 2005

The real agenda

The Guardian discovers yet more evidence of Israel's hampering of the peace process:

"A confidential Foreign Office document accuses Israel of rushing to annex the Arab area of Jerusalem, using illegal Jewish settlement construction and the vast West Bank barrier, in a move to prevent it becoming a Palestinian capital.

"In an unusually frank insight into British assessments of Israeli intentions, the document says that Ariel Sharon's government is jeopardising the prospect of a peace agreement by trying to put the future of Arab East Jerusalem beyond negotiation and risks driving Palestinians living in the city into radical groups. The document, obtained by the Guardian, was presented to an EU council of ministers meeting chaired by the foreign secretary, Jack Straw, on Monday with recommendations to counter the Israeli policy, including recognition of Palestinian political activities in East Jerusalem."

If evidence was still needed of Ariel Sharon's determination to prevent a true Palestinian state, today's revelation is yet another nail in the coffin of the media elite. The Melbourne Age yesterday called Sharon's recent political move as "boldly invoking the hope of peace."

When will they ever learn?

58 Comments:

Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

The one tiny consolation coming out of this, I suppose, is that at least the EU actually knows what is going on. I wonder if the US administration gets the same sorts of conclusions coming out of their secret analyses.

Friday, November 25, 2005 7:57:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

I suspect the US either doesn't care what Israel does - after all, they're essentially funding the entire state - but rest assured their assessments may be a little different.

Friday, November 25, 2005 9:01:00 pm  
Blogger Pete's Blog said...

They'd have 20+ assessments by all sorts of US intelligence agencies, semi-official think tanks and the ones passed on by foreign buddies.

It would go down to a political decision in the State Department on which one(s) to accept.

Friday, November 25, 2005 10:51:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

I believed that Israel had annexed all of Jerusalem shortly after 1967.

The US has wisely decided that Israel should decide what Israel does.

As for funding the State, what is it's gdp? How does 3 or 10 billion affect it? How much of that 3 to 10 billion is used to purchase good from the US?

Saturday, November 26, 2005 12:49:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

If the US has decided Israel decides it's own course of action, it should drop the pretence of being a peace broker in the region.

It's widely recognised that Israel would be hard pressed to survive without the support and security it is provided by the US. The 3 billion in aid it receives annually is seven times what the US gives to all of Africa.

That amount certainly does not include the extras that are provided to Israel, such as the relocation incentives that were offered to the settlers in Gaza.

The total financial support to Israel fro mteh US has been put at 1.6 trillion. Hardly small change.

Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:05:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

It is widely stated but not widely understood. That because it is not true. The US knows that Israel, on its own, will decimate the area. The US is all that keeps the palestinians going. Their arab brothers seem to desire they stay in poverty.

The 1.6 trillion figure is a joke, but antisemites love to trot it out. Wonder why? Wonder why Addamo trotted it out? Seems coincidental?

Saturday, November 26, 2005 2:19:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Here are some of the sites that Addamo could have pulled that figure from:

www.counterpunch.org/frank01302003.html - 18k
http://www.democratsdiary.co.uk/2005/10/wiped-off-map.html
http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/nsforum/ns12-09.html
http://www.islamonline.net/livedialogue/english/Browse.asp?hGuestID=LpIyh9

Some ultra liberal, some islamist, some even white supremist, but all known to post their share of antisemitic material.

But the ones stating the aid being 1.6 trillion are straight neo-nazi or islamo-fascist fronts. Why does addamo visit those sites for his info and still deny his antisemitic bent?

Saturday, November 26, 2005 3:00:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Yes Ibraham,

I just pulled that number out of my arse you putz. You would have to be pretty deluded to not recognise that Israel has benefitted immeasurably from the support of the US.

It's interesting that you admit Israel would decimate the area were it not for the US. It's the first time I'v eheard you suggested that Israel is so prepared to unleash genocide and mash destruction on this scale. Actually, were it not for the US, Israel wouldn't have the weapons to do it with.

Your premature dementia is really starting to become evident.

Saturday, November 26, 2005 3:01:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

If you are keeping your arse on neo-nazi websites, then you pulled it out from there.

Israel is prepared to defend its citizens. If attacked enmass by palestinian hordes, there will be dead palestinian hordes. You call that genocide, to kill those who attack you? You're just plain letting that antisemitism infect and rot your brain.

Saturday, November 26, 2005 3:35:00 pm  
Blogger David Heidelberg said...

I'm pleased to see that Ibby now freely admits that Israel is a rogue state with an agenda to eliminate the Arab world.

Israel enjoys unquestioning American support, because the domestic American political consequences of withdrawing aid would be catastrophic for the incumbent.

The fact that the US gives more aid to Israel than it does to the entire African continent should offend any person of conscience.

Saturday, November 26, 2005 4:02:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Let us always remember what Ibrahamav truly believes:

"The US knows that Israel, on its own, will decimate the area."

Ibrahamav believes that Israel is a genocidal state that is only being held back by the US.

Saturday, November 26, 2005 4:08:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Not so, only that Israel would not be constrained, as it has been, in the defense of its citizens.

Saturday, November 26, 2005 11:17:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Only an antisemite would think that my words in anyway are declaration that Israel has any such agenda. Heidi, you have outed yourself, congratulations.

How does it feel to be out of the closet?

Saturday, November 26, 2005 11:19:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

It' is you Ibraham who is well and truly out of the closet. At least three people have come to the conclusion from your trasnaprent remarks that you consider Israel to be a rogue state.

We should start a joke column, "How many anti-Semites does it take to..."

I hope you;re keeping count of all us anti-Smitic vermin lurking on the list.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 1:10:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Of course they came to that conclusion? Why wouldn't they, seeing their mindset?

Sunday, November 27, 2005 2:19:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
"Not so, only that Israel would not be constrained, as it has been, in the defense of its citizens."

No point trying to lie you way out of this one. Nothing about "defense of citizens" here; it's all about "decimation" - DECIMATION! - of "the area".

Now I understand why you are so reticent about revealing your true views - because even you recognise how utterly repugnant to humanity they are.

Let's again recall the albatros that will be forever hung around your neck:

"The US knows that Israel, on its own, will decimate the area."

The only possibility you have of saving a skerick of your self-mutilated reputation as a human being is to state that this assertion is not something that you regard as morally desirable. Are you willing to step back into the fold of humanity?

Sunday, November 27, 2005 3:54:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Sorry to keep your antisemitic blood lust in check, but it is defense, and the scope of retaliation in that defense would not be constrained by the need to keep America's good will, should your scenerio play out.

Funny how it almost seems you foam at the mouth when you think you've closed a trap. Sorry buddy, but you'll just have to stay hungry.

War is never desirable. Even though it appears that Islam regard war as morally desirable. What is desirable is that Israel's enemies learn the error of their ways through an epiphony, as one might wish you would.

But seeing as that is not going to transpire in the Arab world anytime soon, Israel will keep its defenses up and retaliate as needed.

The only albatross around here is the one that impedes your gait, for obvious reasons.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 5:10:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Absolutely a cessation of hostilities would be welcome, but you are promulgating the myth that Islam wages war for the sake of war, rather than acknowleging that war is sparked grievance.

As far saw you are concerned, all problems stem from the Islamic obsession with waging war. You insist that Isarael's occupation of the disputed terrirotries is of no consequence.

You ignore the reality that we live in a world of action and reaction. So long as you continue that charade, none of your arguments will be of any consequence or carry any credibility.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 6:40:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

It certainly appears that Islam forments war for religious fanatic purposes. I don't pretend to understand most things about it but I keep reading current sermons begging the people to kill the Jews.

I insist that Israel's ownership of the land is legal, and its insistance on peace prior to giving it to the Palestinians for a state is legal.

You, like the Palestinians, continue to ignore the fact that when you wage war you die. And the Palestinians are setting themselves up for death.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 6:47:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

I appreciate that in your opinion Israel's occupation of the land is legal, but your opinion does not dictate international law.

Waging war is no different to inciting war. The Palestinians may be waging war, but by illegally occupying land and oppressing the Palestinians, Israel are inciting it.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 7:11:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

More developments with regards to Jerusalem:

A British Foreign Office document accuses Israel of illegally expanding Jewish settlements and routing the West Bank barrier to prevent east Jerusalem from becoming the Palestinian capital.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1651249,00.html

Thus it appears Ibrahams insitence Israel's ownership of the land is legal, is somewhat under question.

Just my anti-Smetic 2 cents worth.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:51:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

International law states that Israel is legally in possetion, as there is no palestinian sovereignty and Egypt and Jordan gave up all claims. While israel being in possession of once was Islamic land may incite Arabs to war, that is their tough luck.

Your opinion does not trump International law, neither does the opinion of 57 Islamic nations.

And eddie's opinion is indeed worth 2 cents.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:06:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

"The US knows that Israel, on its own, will decimate the area."

"Sorry to keep your antisemitic blood lust in check,"

No anti-semitism here. I'm only pointing out how disgusting your personal views are. This is hardly a 'race' issue - unless you think you are a special race unto yourself.

"but it is defense, and the scope of retaliation in that defense would not be constrained by the need to keep America's good will, should your scenerio play out."

Oh, so for you, "genocide" in the service of "defence" is what would occur is Israel were given it's head. What an unlovely view you have of the Israeli state. I hate to say it, but you are so disturbingly right-wing that you really do fit snuggly into the European fascist cradle.

And as for your comments on Islam, they're about as worthless as your views on race-relations: hideously distorted by the fascist racism that permeates each and every one of your sad, pitiable posts.

Incidentally, I still think you're really a neo-Nazi lurker who is trying to present Zionism in the worst possible light to further your own evil ends.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 2:50:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Eddie, you're merely pointing out your desire to point fingers at Jews. We all know that.

And as my opinion is certainly worth more than yours, I wonder what inventive description we could come up with?

Notice how antisemites always try to turn the tables by calling a Jew a neo-nazi lurker?

Couldn't you come up with anything new eddie? Your comments just make you sound like a shrew, or possibly another fool upset that they were not 'chosen'.

You consider Israel defending itself to be committing suicide? With that logic, the jews were comitting genocide against the germans in the warsaw ghetto.

What a sick antisemitic fool you are.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 3:15:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

No we don't all know that Eddie piotns fingers at Jews Ibraham. He never mentions Jewish peope in his posts. Who do you speak for? Fact is, most of us disagree with YOU.

Your opinion is withouth doubt, extremist and fundamentalist. Your jab at Edward, for not being part fo the "chosen", reveals that you do indeed consider yourself as a member of superior and more deserving group. That sounds exactly like the rubbish that was being communicated in Nazin Germany.

You have exposed yourself is the most vile and distatesful fashhion. No wonder you are so afrid to address Eddie's quesrions. You know what you are, and we knwo what you are. In spite of your own shame and guilt, you are a fascist, and a racist who used anti-Semitism to hide his true nature.

Anyway, Israel as it was created by the United Nations, is not the Israel of today that has grabbed a lot of land not originally defined as part of Israel. Jerusalem was not a part of the original Israel, and the UN has passed numerous resolutions against Israel reminding them that Jerusalem is an international city to be shared by Jews, Christians and Muslims. Israel continues to defy the United Nations, and Ariel Sharon's intended borders for Israel totally encompass Jerusalem, again defying the United Nations.

That makes Israel a rogue state.

You are beneath contempt Ibraham.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 3:30:00 pm  
Blogger David Heidelberg said...

Poor Ibby continually embarrasses himself with his worthless anti-Semite slurs.

My criticism is of the Israeli Government, not of Jews. I also viciously attack the Australian Government. Does that make me anti-Australian? Well it does to a few ultra nationalists who hide their true far right views behind patriotism, which is precisely your tactic. As Ed points out, you're nothing but a replica of a European fascist, hiding your fanatic agenda behind ridicules straw men.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 3:52:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
"Eddie, you're merely pointing out your desire to point fingers at Jews. We all know that."
I'm only pointing my finger (and wagging it vigorously) at you my little munchkin. It would seem that you are implying you are Jewish here, but there is no way of me knowing that it true. So rest assured, I don't assume you are. Thus, not only am I not referring to "all Jews", I'm not even referring to "a Jew". I'm referring to the bizarre caricature of a lurker called Ibrahamav.

And oh my g~d, he's using the "Royal We" now.

"And as my opinion is certainly worth more than yours,"
*trumpet blast* Ladies and gentlemen, a present to you His Royal Highness, Prince Narcissist.

"Notice how antisemites always try to turn the tables by calling a Jew a neo-nazi lurker?"
No, but I don't hang around anti-semites. You, on the other hand, do seem to notice it a lot. Hmmm - I wonder if that has anything to do with the impression created by your comments.

"Your comments just make you sound like a shrew,"
Umm - are you referring to a mouse or a vexatious woman? I'm not sure which one is supposed to be the most insulting.

"or possibly another fool upset that they were not 'chosen'."
Ibrahamav, I have to congratulate you. This is the first time one of your posts has made me genuinely laugh out loud.

"You consider Israel defending itself to be committing suicide?"
Spiritually and morally, yes, because it's "defence" is conducted immorally and is premised on the domination and oppression of a peoples.

"With that logic, the jews were comitting genocide against the germans in the warsaw ghetto."
Your equating of the holocaust with the oppression by a massive, overwhelming state military machine is a sheer delusional fantasy. It used to be said that "He who mentions Hitler first, looses." Today it is: "He who uses the bodies of the holocaust to justify murder first, looses." Have you no shame? Is there nothing to you that is sacred? How many memories are you willing to desecrate?

Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:35:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Heidi, since you keep bringing it up it is obviously uncomfortable for you and instead of showing how it doesn't apply, you just prove that it does. Poor, poor Heidi. Your attack on Israel is through an antisemitic portal. Don't think that all can't see it.

Here's the rub of eddie' antisemitism - he doesn't like the way Israel defends itself. They are not playing by eddie's rules.

He certainly couldn't abide by the Warsaw Ghetto comparison, yet Palestinian hoodlums try to use it all the time, with nary a word from eddie. That double standard is also a symptom of Eddie's antisemtism.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:33:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

"Here's the rub of eddie' antisemitism - he doesn't like the way Israel defends itself. They are not playing by eddie's rules."

You got it! I don't like how the Israeli military machine oppresses a peoples, denying them the basic human rights that all human beings deserve. I don't like it because it's utterly immoral. I guess I'm just not one-eyed enough. You seem to have no problem with it ... which, paradoxically, is your problem, I suppose.

"He certainly couldn't abide by the Warsaw Ghetto comparison,"

What comparison? You're equating a tiny courageous group of relatively defenceless Jews trapped in a ghetto destined for extermination with one of the most heavily militarised nation-states in the world? A nation-state that is so powerful, it can both economically and diplomatically afford to build its own giant ghetto which only serves to subjugate millions of people to its extra-judicial will?

You really are delusional. In fact, this is SO delusional that I don't think you really believe it at all. It's all just grist to your neo-Nazi lurker mill.

"yet Palestinian hoodlums try to use it all the time, with nary a word from eddie. That double standard is also a symptom of Eddie's antisemtism."

I've already talked about this in previous posts. In fact, you may recall that I said Arafat should have been brought before the Int. Crim. Court on charges of crimes against humanity. When was the last time you said that Sharon should be? (Don't worry - there's no need to answer. You have no need to fear: no-one thinks you have double standards. No-one thinks you hve ANY standards.)

Monday, November 28, 2005 1:27:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Oh, Ibrahamav! You can sleep easy in your bed. I just did the Anti-Def. League's anti-semitism test and I came out as being "Not Anti-Semitic". Hooray!

Here are the questions and the categorisations.

1) Jews stick together more than other Americans.
2) Jews always like to be at the head of things.
3) Jews are more loyal to Israel than America.
4) Jews have too much power in the U.S. today.
5) Jews have too much control and influence on Wall Street.
6) Jews have too much power in the business world.
7) Jews have a lot of irritating faults.
8) Jews are more willing than others to use shady practices to get what they want.
9) Jewish businesspeople are so shrewd that others don't have a fair chance at competition.
10) Jews don't care what happens to anyone but their own kind.
11) Jews are not just as honest as other businesspeople.

Not Anti-Semitic: People who agree with none or one of the statements are considered essentially free of prejudicial attitudes toward the Jewish community.
Middle: People who agree with between two and five of the statements are considered to be neither prejudiced nor unprejudiced -- that is, not completely prejudice-free in their attitudes toward Jews, but not an audience to be deeply worried about.
Most Anti-Semitic: The people who agree with six or more of the statements are considered the most anti-Semitic group of Americans, and have been isolated for special analysis and demographic identification.


I must say I had a little bit of a giggle at this line in the "Middle" category: "neither prejudiced nor unprejudiced -- that is, not completely prejudice-free". They gotta get some more professional people writing those reports.

Monday, November 28, 2005 1:38:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Like eddie, Addamo has finally admitted the cruxt of his antisemitic feelings:

The Jews got more than the UN intended. The Jews have ignored the non-binding antisemitically inspired UN resolutions. Those resolutions which are binding are not complied with by the Jews because they unfairly wait for their enemies to comply with the requirements.

Both eddie and addamo are crying because they think the Jews aren't playing fair.

My, my.

Monday, November 28, 2005 2:19:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Your idiocy and twisted logic is without pier Ibraham. You state that Israel's occupation of Jerusalem is sanctioned by Internatuonal law, yet staet that US resolutions to the contrary are irrelevatn becasue they are anti-Semitic.

Man you gotta get out more. Are you suggesting that the bosy that creeated Israel, is not in step with internatinal law?

And your comparison to the gheetos of Nai Germany are completely rediculous. You are suggesting thet hat victimised Jews in WWII are in the same poistion as they are today. I don't recall the Jew in WWII having armed helicopters, tanks and fighter planes to defend themselves.

Monday, November 28, 2005 3:27:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Edward,

I am curiious about the ADL test you did. I noticed that none of the questions mention anything about Israel.

Abe Foxman's most common charges of anti-Semitism are associated with crticism of Israel.

The lack of consitency is amazing. Seems the ADL can't even agree on a definition of anti-Smitism.

Monday, November 28, 2005 3:43:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

I stated no such thing. I stated that, by International law, Israel inhabits most of the land, including all of Jerusalem, in a legal manner, after having gained such land in a defensive war waged against nations who have reliquished their claims after 19 years of illegally occupying said land.

The body that voted to partition the Brish mandate no longer functions in what would loosely be termed an unbiased legal fashion.

You are, consistantly, antisemitic.

Monday, November 28, 2005 7:34:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Nice try Ibraham, but even as a self decalred memebr fo the "chosen", your effort to argue that possession is nine tenth's of the law is of no avail.

Inhabiting a territory belonging to someone else does not make it legal just because you believe it to be.

Regardless of the what your view is of the UN it is nonetheless the body that decides legality here. The Foreign Office document bases it's findings on international law, and it's consclusions staet that it is Israel that is in breach of international law, along with a slew of UN resolutions. If what you states was supported by any legal findings, the dccument woudl be unecessary.

And remind me, is your name Ibraham or anti-Smite? You seem to use both in every post you submit.

It goes to show just how demented your outlook when you consider observatio of internatinal law and UN resolutions and anti-Semitism.

Monday, November 28, 2005 8:02:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

I have not argued tht posession is 9/10 of the law. The UN is not a body which decides legality.

The territory happens to belong to Israel. It once belonged to the Ottoman's, it passed to the British, it was partitioned to the Arabs and the Jews, The Arabs didn't like it, even though they were part of the UN that voted on it, and declared war and attacked. they lost, but not before accupying Gaza and parts of Judea and Samaria.

19 years later they were building up a force to destroy Israel and lost again, being boorted out of the lands they were occupying. Many years later, they gave up all claims to the land.

The UN resolutions that Israel ignores are non-binding and are meaningless. The binding ones require action by the Arabs. Until the Arabs comply, Israel has no need to comply.

You'll notice theat UN resolution 242 does not mention Palestinians. Ever wonder why not?

Monday, November 28, 2005 9:27:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

What international treaty or legal finding acknowledges that the land belongs to Israel? Why would the British Foreign Office report conclude that Israel was in violation of the hand back of parts of Jerusalem?

If the territory was not part of the territory that was allocated to Israel, then it does not belong to Israel. Unfortunately, this is not for Israel or you to decide. The US has had bases in many countries for decades. Does that mean this land belongs to the US?

Giving up the fight against Israel is no the same as giving up claims to lost territory. If these bodies had given up claims to the land, they obviously would not be asking for it to be returned. As a Zionist, you would naturally think otherwise, but your opinion is based on doctrine, not law.

UN resolutions are ineffective yes, because Israel thumbs it's nose at them, as they did the decision of the International Court of Justice that the Israeli wall was in violation of International Law.

Arguing that the binding UN resolutions require action by Arabs, does not mean the Arabs have to act first. This is just a stalling tactic that Israel has exploited to create unrest among the Arab population and incite them to violence. It's a very clever, yet sinister system that the world has woken up to.

Please explain why in your opinion 242 does not mention Palestinians. Could it be that it requires action on the part of Israel and not the Arabs? Could it be that it is no applicable to a people that have no territory?

Monday, November 28, 2005 10:08:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

What treaty states that France belongs to the French?

Why does UN resolution 242 not mention the Palestinian people? Does it mean that the UN recognized Gaza as belonging to the Egyptians and portions of Judea and Samaria as belonging to the Jordanians? Seems like it to me.

And then they both stated they no longer wanted the area. Could it be that the Arabs living there were a source of embarassment to them? Who knows?

Monday, November 28, 2005 10:29:00 am  
Blogger David Heidelberg said...

I took the test also, and came up as not being Anti-Semitic also. Too bad Ibby.

Actually, I've come to agree with Ed here. Ibby presents himself as an idiotic caricature, which leads me to believe he is just a nazi troll.

Monday, November 28, 2005 11:07:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
"Like eddie, Addamo has finally admitted the cruxt of his antisemitic feelings: The Jews got more than the UN intended."

No. You misread what I wrote. I was not making a LEGAL point. I was not referring to the UN at all. Nor was I referring to "the Jews". (Only you seem to do that.)

I was referring to the morally replusive actions of the Israeli military machine (and by extention, the government which controls it ... at least in some respects).

And there are no anti-Semitic feelings here. I'm simply opposed to murderous injustice. Racial and ethinic identities simply don't enter into it. If the Israeli government and army officials were all Rwandans or Javanese or Germans, I'd be saying exactly the same thing. (And remember, I did the ADL test and I'm not anti-semitic. Have YOU passed the test?)

Addamo_01 said...
"Edward, I am curiious about the ADL test you did. I noticed that none of the questions mention anything about Israel."

It is clearly intended for US citizens, so I think Israel was left out of the survey because adding it might have resulted in too many 'null' responses. To take one of my favourite quotes from an interview:

"OK. I'm a little bit mixed up over the Palestinians and the Israelis. OK. Which one is throwin' the rocks?"

Monday, November 28, 2005 2:00:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Heidi took a self administered exam and expected someone to trust him? Go back to steven. He'll accept you as you are.

Eddie's stance regarding injustice makes my heart break. Exactly what justice was to be exacted when the Palestinians murdered 4 young sisters and their pregnant mother?

Exactly who is deliberately murdering women and children as a way to liberate themselves from being ruled by Jews?

Monday, November 28, 2005 2:29:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

You are getting a great deal of mileage from the dead children and pregnant mother Ibraham.

Pumping 17 bullets into a Palestinian girl is what exactly, the latest for of Israeli baptism?

Monday, November 28, 2005 3:01:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
"Exactly what justice was to be exacted when the Palestinians murdered 4 young sisters and their pregnant mother?"

The same kind of justice one would expect from any civilised, morally upstanding nation-state: that the perpetrators be arrested, brought to trial, have evidence presented against them - evidence which would be tested in open court by defence council - and then a verdict rendered based on a judicious and reasonable assessment of that evidence with respect to the charges made. If the accused are found guilty by this process, then they would be sentenced in accordance with the laws associated with that crime. If they are found innocent, then they would be released.

Don't you know about any of this?

Monday, November 28, 2005 9:11:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Addamo, why don't you mention the name of the Muslim Arab who put the extra bullets into the girl after she was already dead? Or how the girl deliberately entered a known war zone?

And eddie???? too funny for comments. Living in lala land.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:28:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
"And eddie???? too funny for comments. Living in lala land."

Gee, how did I know that you would gaffaw like an mule at the idea of the rule of law? Oh that's right; you don't believe in it. You're more of a blood-caked iron fist of holy vengence kinda guy.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:03:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Well Ibraham, seeing as I am not the least bit interested in the race or religion of indiovisuals, I see no reason to ideantify the IDF soldier who shot the girl repeatedly. He acted in accordance with IDF procedure, so whether he was an Arab or otherwise is irrelevant.

The issue is the policy of the state of Israel and it's shameful human rights practices. I know for you, everything comes gdown to race and religion, hence your racist attempt exhonerate the IDF by pointing out that the soldier was not Jewish.

The IDF soldiers stated that the girl was frightened and moving away from the bag she'd dropped, and that she was a 100 yards away from the IDF putpost.

As Eddie observed, you;re perfectly OK with blood when it's Arabic blod that is spilled.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 1:42:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

You see no need because it was so embarrassing that this cold bloodedness yo complain about is from the same source that brutally murdered those 4 little girls and their pregnant mother at point blank range?

Still trying to come up with an apologist stand to where it is alright for an arab muslem to slaughter jews in cold blood, but not alright to pump 17 bullets into a corpse, probably out of frustration at some palestinian animal forcing her to run in their to tesy defenses?

You are a sick ass racist and to afraid to admit it.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:33:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

No I ma not a racist Ibraham and I am not embarrassed about anything. You are the one who is constantly sidestepping questions becasue of your shame and guilt over your racist stance and support for enthnic cleansing.

And when you are cornered, you lash out like a viper at your accuser with the worn out and now meaningless accusation of anti-Semitism.

Of course the dead of the children and their mother was a traversty. Unlike you , I don't consider the murder of any childern to be justified.

The deaths of Palestinians are treated as a statistic by the MSM, while the deaths fo Israelis are treated as tragedies. Yo probably don't agree, bu they are all equally tragic.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:42:00 am  
Blogger Mannie said...

It seems one thing is firmly established - everyone in the whole world who is not a zionist Jew is anti-semitic!
If one is so passionate about Israel and its continuing fight for its life, shouldn't one go and live there and help in the struggle?
There are still about 6 million Jews missing from Israel who persist in living in other countries - what will induce them to return to their "homeland"?
The land of their forefathers?

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:46:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Yes, addamo, you're a racist. And you're little friend mannie is following in your footsteps!

Here's his first canard: "everyone in the whole world who is not a zionist Jew is anti-semitic!" It is a favorite quote of neo-nazis in an attempt to disarm by a pre-emptive strike in defining the terms. They use it all the time. Seems like Mannie learned his lesson well.

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:11:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Yo usound llie you're quoting from Stalin Ibraham. A hero of yours?

They said that Stalin's paranoia was a self fulfilling prophecy. Are you conducting an experiment of some kind Ibraham?

BTW. Ibrham, do you ever sleep, or was The Ring your biography?

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:55:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

You sound like Stalin read you night time stories before he crawled into your sheets. Is that why you're so paranoid and feeling inferior? Uncle Joe not around to make you feel good about yourself? Did he teach you how to be a nutcase?

If so, he did a good job.

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:21:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
"It is a favorite quote of neo-nazis in an attempt to disarm by a pre-emptive strike in defining the terms."

By Kafkaesque re-defintions of "anti-semitism", the only person in this forum who has set about systematically undermining the use of words is your good self, Ibrahamav.

When are you going to realise that when you slip on a banana peal and thus call all bananas anti-semitic, that you are helping to "disarm" people who actually suffer from anti-semitism? The result of your rhetoric and the aims and desires of neo-Nazis cohere perfectly. Indeed, the fact that you link such "diarmament" - something you yourself constantly and consistently engage in - to neo-Nazis only further supports my theory that you are in fact a neo-Nazi troll who is seeking to undermine legitimate, intelligent and reasonable support for the existence of Israel. Shame Ibrahamav, shame.

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:45:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

...once again, Edward wins by a knock out.

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:48:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

You can not put the smelling salts under eddies nose and attempt to declare victory. One would think you were egyptian.

Poor addamo, eddie was carried out of the ring on a strecher. perhaps he'll regain conscienceness later.

Did you goosestep around the ring afterwards when the crowd left for the celebrations with Ibraham?

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:00:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Oh yeah, the renta-crowd of skin heads, KKK members and leather clad drag queens that left with Ibraham. How could I foget? You sue you want to brag about that?

Now during he course of your celebrations, remember to practice safe sex watch for those anti-Semitic banana peals won't you?

Now, if you'll excuse me, it's back to reading Ibrahams professional guide to perfecting the goose step.

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:36:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

At least you dream big.

Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:10:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

What can I say, you inspire me Ibraham.

Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:36:00 am  

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