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Monday, June 06, 2005

Spying on friends

Fox News investigates the Israeli spy network within the US and what information, if any, the Israelis knew about 9/11 before it happened but failed to pass onto the Americans.

Why's Murdoch's Fox News looking into this matter? Good question. The report is far from conclusive, but poses some fascinating questions. "Why would Israelis spy in and on the U.S.?" the report asks. "A general accounting office investigation referred to Israel as country A and said, 'According to a U.S. intelligence agency, the government of country A conducts the most aggressive espionage operations against the U.S. of any U.S. ally.'"


Anonymous Tim said...

Why would Israeli intelligence services spy on the US?

There is a fascinating precedent from World War II and UK covert operations in the then non-aligned US.

See "Desperate Deception" by Thomas Mahl. There is a review here.

Exactly what are Tel Aviv's intel services up to? We probably won't know for another 20 years and most discussion today is speculative. It took 30 or 40 years for UK covert ops in the US to become public.

What is interesting is that most of the speculation to date about Israeli ops seems very reminiscent of the events Thomas Mahl has written about. It's like Deja Vu... all over again!

Monday, June 06, 2005 6:08:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

The historial precedents are indeed fascinating. Isn't it about time, though, to expose what Israel and indeed many other countries, are doing spying on a country like the US, that is essentially about as good an ally as possible?
When this kind of story appears on Fox News, that pro-Bush and pro-Israel mouthpiece, is something stirring?

Monday, June 06, 2005 6:16:00 pm  
Anonymous the young-lib brigade said...

so i was reading Jpost when i came to an interesting article, i shall post some choice extracts.

"The mystery submarine that Israel detected snooping off its shores last November belonged to the American navy and was on a spy mission, Channel Two reported Sunday.

According to the unattributed report, Israeli officials have not indicated what the Americans may have been looking for.

Military officials declined to comment on the report. Senior military sources have only said that it belonged to a "Western navy."

The incident occurred on the night of November 9 off the northern coast of Israel. The Navy had detected the submarine after it had penetrated two nautical miles into Israel's territorial waters, about 18 kilometers from shore.

The Navy followed the submarine for a few hours, but the moment it took active measures to close in on the submarine, it quickly turn and headed back to international waters. "


"ollowing the incident, reports surfaced late last year that the United States had increased its intelligence operations against Israel as part of an effort to prevent escalation of the conflict with the Palestinians with an invasion of the Gaza Strip following incessant Kassam rocket strikes, or offensive action against Hizbullah in Lebanon or even Syria."

From this we have to conclude the obvious that all nations spy on each other, that there is a limit to how much espionage countries will tolerate and its not the same for every country, and that the people drawing wild accusation over 60 Israely visa overstayers while ignoring an american submarine a few kilometers of the Israely coast have an agenda and should be observed with the maximum cynicism possible.

Monday, June 06, 2005 8:29:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Mmmm, surely your mind may change if Israel knew something about 9/11 and didn't tell the US...

Monday, June 06, 2005 10:08:00 pm  
Blogger Jozef Imrich, Esq. said...

Caught my eyes a quote and a (b)link:

Make big plans, for little plans have no magic to stir men's blood and in themselves may never be realised.
-Daniel H. Burnham

Yossi Beilin Let's just dump that road map

Monday, June 06, 2005 11:38:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeez Antony:

Your desire to dump on Israel is so profound that you are now dredging up old and discredited news? This is a story from 2001 that was later proved to be groundless. Next you'll be circulating the canard that the Mossad told all Israeli/Jewish workers in the WTC to stay home on 9/11.

What a crock!

Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:41:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

This is not old news. It's still circulating because it's not fully investigated.
And no, I'm not talking about Jews avoiding 9/11. Rubbish and anti-Semitic.

Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:38:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not old news?

What is it about the date 12 December 2001 that you don't understand?

We are currently in mid-2005, which is 3 1/2 years later, an eternity in terms of the modern day news cycle.

And sorry, Tony, but after these initial reports, Fox dropped the story because it didn't have any legs.

Perhaps you should learn from your betters (journalistically speaking) and do the same.

Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:03:00 am  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

I'm aware of the date, and today's date. Thanks teacher. The fact that Fox dropped the story means nada. I've read many things since that suggests much is unknown about the Israeli intelligence presence in America, pre and post 9/11.

Thursday, June 09, 2005 3:07:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Uh huh. And where precisely have you been encountering these gems of objective reporting? At "The Nation" that publishes screeds by Gore Vidal that resurrects the 'dual loyalty' canard that accuses diaspora Jews of betraying their countries?

At "CounterPunch," where Protocol-esque conspiracy theories of Jewish control in the media and on Capitol Hill are used as an excuse to explain away the hard-left's inability to gain political traction in America?

Come on, Tony-boy, you'll have to do better than that.

Friday, June 10, 2005 6:50:00 am  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Certainly not in the Jerusalem Post or New York Times.

Friday, June 10, 2005 10:14:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It sounds as though you subscribe to the Counterpunch thesis that those evil Zionists run the NYT and the rest of the MSM, eh?

I wonder why hard lefties such as yourself end up sounding like neo-Nazis on subject relating to Israel or the Jews. They call it 'horseshoe politics' where either the extremes are much closer to each other than to the centrist elements of their part of the spectrum.


Friday, June 10, 2005 2:46:00 pm  

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