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Saturday, October 15, 2005

Yay for war

Pro-war activists who support the war in Iraq. Chickenhawks who believe in "freedom and democracy" in the Middle East. Conservatives who label anti-war opponents as "communists." Sound familiar?

Australia, and indeed the world, is full of these people. The Nation investigates the movement in America:

"Conservative campus groups like YAF and College Republicans are growing in strength and numbers. And since the start of the Iraq War, these outfits have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Bush to support the war, but they have not stood alongside the soldiers doing the actual fighting and dying. They want someone else to do the hard work."

Sounds like the vast majority of American, British and Australian politicians who are more than willing to send young men and women into an illegal and immoral war.

7 Comments:

Blogger Shabadoo said...

Repeat after me, Ant:

IT. IS. A. VOLUNTEER. ARMY.

If there was a draft, and they were dodging, that would be a different matter.

If the Nation (or you) considers that piece an "investigation" then they (or you) don't know very much about journalism. Then again, you learned your trade under Margo Kingston, so what should we expect? [Ed: Hey, at least he can spell. Shab: Too true!]

It is not hard by any stretch to find ROTC/campus conservatives in Iraq.

Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:35:00 am  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

The point is, Shabadoo, that it's easy to support the war when you aren't doing any of the dying. It may be a volunteer army - and I guess your point is that war-mongers don't have to join if they don't want to - but very few would have joined in the hope that they would be placed at the front line of a protracted urban guerilla war in a foreign land.

Why not address the content of the post instead of boring us all with more silly comments about Kingston?

Sunday, October 16, 2005 10:50:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Furthermore, with the US Military offering large cash incentives and targetting the popor and uderprivelaged, it's hardly the lebvel playng field Shabadoo suggests it it is.

Not to mention the highly aggessive tactics of recruiters.

There were reports that amng the first on the scene in the wake of Katrina in New Orleans were army recuiters. The army euqivalence of ambulance chasing.

Sunday, October 16, 2005 2:02:00 pm  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

"There were reports...". Well, if that's not one of the great weaselly constructions of all time!

Typical condescending socialist nonsense - I'd like to see you run your argument on a group of US Marines sometime. I have a feeling you'd be quickly schooled in the virtues of duty, honour, and tradition - all the values your sort seeks so assiduously to tear down.

Sunday, October 16, 2005 6:07:00 pm  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

Shabadoo, that's typical morally superior conservative nonsense.

Why is it so hard to admit that those who start - and attempt to justify - wars aren't the ones who die in them? And it's "your sort" that let them get away with doing so.

Sunday, October 16, 2005 6:31:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Shabadoo said
"Typical condescending socialist nonsense - I'd like to see you run your argument on a group of US Marines sometime. I have a feeling you'd be quickly schooled in the virtues of duty, honour, and tradition - all the values your sort seeks so assiduously to tear down."

I appreciate your sentimentality and sense of nostalgia. If facts sound condescending to you, then perhaps reality is not your deal.

Fair enough. You could put me in front of all the marines you like Shab, but all the shouting about honour, duty and tradition would do nothing to erase the fact that the US military has become nothing more than an eforcement agency for US corporations.

It's ironic how under Rumsfeld, that military forces are becomming incresingly
privatised. The second largest contigent in Iraq is not the UK, but private security contractors. Are you naive enough to think these people have any alleginace other than to their pay masters?

By the way dirtbikeoption, good point. Care to comment Shab about the fact that Bush, Rumsfled, Cheney and co all managed to skip out on their role with the US military oblilgations? The only duty, honour, and tradition these guys appreciate has a dollar sign in front of it.

Monday, October 17, 2005 1:05:00 am  
Blogger Towering Barbarian said...

Dirtbikeoption,
"The point is, Shabadoo, that it's easy to support the war when you aren't doing any of the dying."

Well, yeah. Being dead renders a lot of things difficult. Are you saying that only the Undead may vote? :P

But hey, it's nice to know that you think no civilian ever had the right to support the war against Hitler. ^_~

Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:54:00 am  

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