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Friday, November 04, 2005

Easy targets

Isi Leibler is a doyen of Australian Zionism. Currently residing in Israel, he contributes regular articles to the Jerusalem Post and is keen to talk up the possibility of a second Holocaust. His latest article, Poisonous Ravings, continues the grand tradition. His target? Norman Finkelstein:

"Historically, self-hating Jews besmirching their kinsmen have ranged from apostates in the Middle Ages to communists in Stalinist Russia. Today their successors have assumed pivotal roles in the global campaign to delegitimize Israel.

"The most recent chapter in the ongoing offensive is Norman Finkelstein's book Beyond Chutzpah, which endeavors to depict Israel as one of the most evil countries in the world. The author also defames Alan Dershowitz, author of the widely acclaimed The Case for Israel. Dershowitz is particularly hated by the anti-Israeli pack because of his impeccable credentials as a champion of human rights."

"Impeccable credentials"? If defending torture and praising Israel's perfect human rights record is impressive, then Leibler has a valid point.

Leibler offers the usual rhetoric about Finkelstein - anti-Semite, Nazi-sympathizer, bigot - and worries about the long-term effects of such attitudes:

"The incredible damage to Israel's reputation inflicted by renegade Jews has been greatly underestimated. The distortions have already persuaded the average European that Israel represents a greater threat to world peace than Iran or North Korea. We cannot afford this to be extended to the United States.

"Israel must realize that the battle of ideas is crucial to our future. There are hundreds of talented Israelis and friends of Israel throughout the world who possess the scholarship and communication skills to enable them to make a major contribution. The government should invite the best of them to join in a campaign to reverse the tide. When the poisonous ravings of people like Finkelstein gain credence in the mainstream media, it is surely time to ring the alarm bells."

Leibler, like so many dutiful Jewish and non-Jewish Zionists, seem to believe that criticism of Israel is unacceptable. Jews should especially keep their mouths shut. Israel is beyond reproach and remains a beacon to the world.

Who truly believes this anymore? And is Leibler seriously suggesting that people like Finkelstein are to blame for Israel's declining stature in the last years? It may be comforting for the Leiblers of this world to solely blame so-called anti-Semites for Israel's woes, but perhaps a look at Israel's actions wouldn't go astray.

22 Comments:

Blogger Human said...

It seems that anyone who is Jewish who dares question is labeled self-hating. Here in America people who dissent are called UnAmerican. Same crap, differant country. Anywho to lighten ones heart -
This poem was written by Eve Ensler (08/31/2005)

"Since GEORGE BUSH really got in power by corporate take over and not election. Since he has behaved like a CEO of a huge corporation called U.S.A. supporting profit in all cases over human interests, we should treat him the way they would treat him in any corporation and

FIRE HIS ASS

When you start with a major surplus and end up with a huge huge deficit they

FIRE YOUR ASS

When you fail to move a company forward, they

FIRE YOUR ASS

When you are lazy and take vacations at a time of peril, they

FIRE YOUR LAZY ASS

When you don't prepare for terrible outcomes and then lose thousands of lives and insane amounts of money they

FIRE YOUR ASS

When you lie to your stockholders and board and then spend nearly 1.3 trillion dollars and kill hundreds of thousands of people for no reason that makes sense to anyone, they

FIRE YOUR ASS

Sometimes they even put you in prison.

When you openly practice racist policies whether they want to or not, they

FIRE YOUR ASS

When you openly break the law, order torture and get caught they

FIRE YOUR ASS

When you hire people who are ignorant and incompetent, they

FIRE YOUR ASS

When you destroy the brand of a company
and alienate potential buyers all over the world, they

FIRE YOUR ASS

We are the shareholders of the U.S.A.
Bush has bankrupted our company, our pocketbooks,
but mainly our soul.
We need to remove this president and his staff
and we need to do it now.

FIRE HIS ASS."
from worldcantwait.net
Peace.

Friday, November 04, 2005 2:07:00 pm  
Blogger Human said...

"I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him." Ariel Sharon Butcher of Sabra and Shantilla

Friday, November 04, 2005 2:23:00 pm  
Blogger Human said...

"Even if you'll prove to me by mathematical means that the present war in Lebanon is a dirty immoral war, I don't care." Ariel Sharon.

Friday, November 04, 2005 3:16:00 pm  
Blogger Human said...

Ok Let's pretend that 'I vow.. " one was incorrect. How bout the others? Or How bout this one...
"We'll hear no more of that nonsense about the unique Jewish morality, the moral lessons of the holocaust or about the Jews who were supposed to have emerged from the gas chambers pure and virtuous. No more of that. The destruction of Eyn Hilwe (and it's a pity we did not wipe out that hornet's nest completely!), the healthy bombardment of Beirut and that tiny massacre (can you call 500 Arabs a massacre?) in their camps which we should have committed with our own delicate hands rather than let the Phalangists do it, all these good deeds finally killed the bullshit talk about a unique people and of being a light upon the nations. No more uniqueness and no more sweetness and light. Good riddance."
Interview 1982 with Amos OZ

Friday, November 04, 2005 3:33:00 pm  
Blogger Human said...

Oh dear ros - Wikipedia ? The anyone can put whatever they want bs site?. I think I'll put some quotes on Wikipedia up by "ros" Sharon Apologist. Sharon is a Mass Murderer and you know it. Oh yeah give me some quotes from some Arab mass murderers why doncha? It'll just prove what Sharonists and Jihadists like you stand for. Death and Destruction. Nothing less and Nothing more. You excuse the terror on women and children. Deny. Deny. Deny. Your support of mass murderers will cost you dearly when the Lord opens up the Book of Life and reads your misdeeds. Do not be afraid of the truth ros. The truth will set you free.

Friday, November 04, 2005 3:54:00 pm  
Blogger Human said...

Oh ros - You can find yourself on Wikipedia.
"Ros is a well known on the Internet. A false propagandist specializing in Promoting Zionist aims."
ki** goodnight. sleeptight. maybe you will wake up alright. maybe not.

Friday, November 04, 2005 4:07:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

It seems that anyone who is Jewish who dares question is labeled self-hating. - (In)human

Questioning is an inherent part of the Judaic being. Self hatred is not. Making blanket statement about the situation as you often do is akin to antisemitism. But you knew you are a antisemite.

Saturday, November 05, 2005 2:36:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Edward, your point? You are disagreeing with Moshe's opinion in 1913? Any proof that it is incorrect concerning the philosophy of the day in the Middle east/

Or are you just another blathering antisemitic blind pig searching for acorns?

Saturday, November 05, 2005 2:40:00 am  
Blogger Human said...

ibrahamav - Please seek professional help. I had provided you with links. Your blanket persecution complex is quite worrying. There are people who care. Just reach out they are willing to help.
Peace.

Saturday, November 05, 2005 4:31:00 am  
Blogger Human said...

Today's quote -
We dance round in a ring and suppose,
But the Secret sits in the middle and knows.
Robert Frost

Saturday, November 05, 2005 4:43:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

(In)human - The best medical advice is to let fruitcakes like you die and not to resusitate. Let all heed it. Happy? Good.

Edward, nothing was forgotten. perhaps you're seeing things that do not exist? Many of your posts reflect that sense of reality.

Saturday, November 05, 2005 6:37:00 am  
Blogger Human said...

ibrahamav - I get the feeling that you lost the links I provided you with and are just too shy to ask for them again. Here they are again -
Some links to help you http://www.mentalhealth.asn.au/
http://www.mentalhealthvic.org.au
http://www.aasw.asn.au
Please at least for the sake of your family and neighbors get help.
Peace.

Saturday, November 05, 2005 7:01:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

I believe you don't understand the advice that has been given concerning your general health.

Saturday, November 05, 2005 8:40:00 am  
Blogger Human said...

ibrahamav - I believe you don't understand the advice that has been given concerning your mental health. I'm not being cute. You need help man. Get it.
Peace.

Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:01:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

(In)human,You can't be cute, you don't know how. Which is among the many simple things you don't know how to do. From your posts, it must be assumed you have a breathing machine attached.

Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:05:00 am  
Blogger Glenn Condell said...

I remember a few years ago CNNN importuning a mob of wealthy, powerful people on their way into some do or other in Melbourne. They were asking them to contribute toward a fund aimed at sending asylum seekers back to wherever they came from.

I can't remember whether it was Isi or Mark, but it was a Liebler, who gladly reached into his pocket to fetch a redback which he handed over without a word.

Not a good look, given the ethno-religious character of most of the recent wave of refugees, and of Liebler himself.

Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:04:00 pm  
Blogger SJ said...

Leibler is an idiot. Anyone, particularly jews who dare critcise Israeli policy is in his books either a self-hating jew, a post-zionist or ignorant. Leibler and his ilk can of course attack Oslo or anything associated with the left - that's kosher to do.

The problem with Leibler's rambling column is that he never makes one rational point against Finkelstein's arguments. Saying that Human Rights Watch, Btselem and Amnesty are biased and therefore should not be believed is not good enough. What, are field workers working for these organisations lying? Surely Leibler can't believe that what is going on in the territories is an 'enlightened' 'benign' occupation. That idea at least by the late '80's should have gone in the waste paper basket.

Sunday, November 06, 2005 12:51:00 am  
Blogger Human said...

Comical ali - Oh yeah give me some quotes from some Arab mass murderers why doncha? It'll just prove what Sharonists and Jihadists like you stand for. Death and Destruction. Nothing less and Nothing more.
Peace.

Sunday, November 06, 2005 2:28:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Make a rational point against an antisemite who quotes his mother as a source? "If all of these memoirs are by holocaust survivors, then who died?"

You actually have to make rational points against an idiot like that to prove he's an idiot?

That's just a waste of time.
If it weren't for neo-nazis and other holocaust deniers, Finky would be out of luck.

Sunday, November 06, 2005 5:21:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Addamo fails to understand that finklestein is an antisemite who has made no legitimate challange to Dershowitz. Fink was forced to remove the actual challanged because it was proven that Fink was lying. Why should Dershowitz have to refute obvious lies?

As for david antisemitic rant, there is absolutely no proof, other than additional lying rant on nazi sites about any such quote from Sharon.

What American's don't know are the lies spewed by idiots like David. They don't know them precisely because they are lies.

Sunday, November 06, 2005 2:19:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Eddie, schmuck, no one is as pure as the driven snow, even the failed christian version of the Messiah blasted a tree because it displeased him. And insulted his mother.

Monday, November 07, 2005 3:58:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Fink dicredited Dershowitz? LOL That's like saying a misquito discredited an elephant because it got a sip of blood before dying.

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 12:47:00 am  

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