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Sunday, November 27, 2005

An enemy of the Jews?

Israel claims the British are anti-Israel and "unrelentingly pro-Palestinian", after this report leaked late last week. I'm surprised the Jewish state didn't claim the Blair government was anti-Semitic. Seems to be a familiar - yet increasingly futile - tactic.

41 Comments:

Blogger happyrump said...

Re: "I'm surprised the Jewish state didn't claim the Blair government was anti-Semitic. Seems to be a familiar - yet increasingly futile - tactic."

Um... so if your enemy doesn't say what you need them to say for your scathing comeback to work... you.. um... write what they could have said - but didn't - and then blast them with your zinger?

Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:40:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

It is a typical tactic of the antisemitic left.

Sunday, November 27, 2005 11:26:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

happyrump said...
"Um... so if your enemy doesn't say what you need them to say for your scathing comeback to work... you.. um... write what they could have said - but didn't - and then blast them with your zinger?"

I think A.L. was simply commenting that it was surprising.

Everyone can have different opinions on what they find surprising. For example, given that the Israeli govt is in (relative) turmoil at the moment, I didn't find it surprising.

I did however find it surprising that Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League didn't say it was anti-semitic ... then again, he has FAR more important fish to fry than a piddling little country off the coast of France; viz. Michael Jackson.

Monday, November 28, 2005 12:20:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Why would Foxman declare it to be antisemitic? There doesn't seem to be any elements of antisemitism in the criticism.

Are you merely baiting as most antisemites are wont to do? No one fell for Antony's, why should one fall for yours?

Monday, November 28, 2005 2:42:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Spealking for everyone again Ibraham fromw within the confines fo yor plastic bubble. That's a god boy.

I am curiosu abto uthis anti_Semitci left that you refer too. Is it implying the left are anti-Semitic by default or were you referring to anti-Semitic factions within the left?

Reason I ask is that anti-Seems far more prevalent nthe right.

I too was suprised Foxman didn't make the accusatin of anti-Semitism regarding this report. After all, it does contain isolated criticism of Israel. I guess being incoinsistent abotu such charges is a good way to keep crtics of Israel guessing.

Monday, November 28, 2005 3:15:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Are you stating the left is antisemitic, or that someone thinks the entire left is antisemitc because of a statement concerning the antisemitic left?

That is an old canard. Did you actually think someone would fall for it? Did you learn it from Zundel?

Are you attempting to bait as your master eddie does? Not tired of licking? taste good?

Monday, November 28, 2005 7:30:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Given your perenial struggle with the English language, it is worth pointing out that I did not make a statement. I just posed as simple question Ibraham, but in typical paranoid fashion, you shose to ignore the question and create a straw man argument.

Aren't you getting tired of pulling your head out of your ass?

You are so predictable. Baiting you is so simple it isn't even fun anymore. Like most reich wing nuts, you haev the attention span of a goldfish.

Monday, November 28, 2005 8:07:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Baiting is simple? Glad to see that you admit to doing it.

Monday, November 28, 2005 9:21:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Baiting gullible imbeciles is simple yes. Glad you admit to being one.

Monday, November 28, 2005 9:23:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Being what? A member of the race you despise so much you're driven to bait them? Being a member of a race you consider so superior to yourself that it drives you into fits of rage?

Admit to what?

Monday, November 28, 2005 10:26:00 am  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Ibrahamav,
I really wonder if you appreciate the persecution complex and delusion in your writings. I havn't seen any comments on this blog that even come close to anti-Semitism and I wouldn't accept any at all.
Really, get some perspetive, get out and appreciate that mentioning anti-Semitism, in every comment, leaves the word totally irrelevant.

Monday, November 28, 2005 10:42:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

I realise it is I who has been baited. I have made the repeated mistake of placing any significance of Ibraham's accusations of anti-Semitism.

I should know better.

Monday, November 28, 2005 11:45:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

I'm shocked loewenstein, you have seen any?

Actually I'm laughing> Of course you haven't seen. Who would ever expect you to see?

And if it were irrelevant, you wouldn't have mentioned it. Yet you did.

Hmmm.

Monday, November 28, 2005 2:14:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

AL just thought he'd mention it
(the irrelevance) one more time for the sake of the slow learners on the forum and the mentally handicapped no doubt.

Monday, November 28, 2005 3:29:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

ibrahamav

I am not Jewish (or muslim or Arab or christian either), but I am very much a supporter of Zionism. And I need to be blunt with you, hun. You ARE a whingeing whiny Jew!

Get over the antisemitic rants. Anti-semitism is very real and not very nice. People disagreeing with the state of Israel and/or its politics is not, necessarily rooted in anti-semitism.

However, I will admit that a LOT of criticism of Israel IS motivated by antisemitism

Monday, November 28, 2005 10:24:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Thanks a lot, lefty. You fight your way. I'll fight mine.

Most of the criticism of Israel on this blog is antisemitic in nature. These bozos are trying to push the limits, not I.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:25:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Yes thanks lefty.

You effort to establish common sense is appreciated, and so is your recognition that controversial issues surrounding Israel and Zionism can be debated withouth comming to blows.

As you can see, your wisdom is like pearls before swine with some people.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:30:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

neoleftychick said...
"ibrahamav ... You ARE a whingeing whiny Jew!"

I disagree. I see no evidence to suggest Ibrahamav is Jewish.

There is, however, just a tad of evidence to suggest Ibrahamav is a frequent visitor to the dark side of the moon.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:56:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Congrats lefty, you've met the tag-team idiots, eddie and addamo. They are currently riding the longest losing streak in blog history.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:10:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Lefty, let us introduce you to Ibraham.

While he may sound like a foul mouthed, fascist, blood lusting extremist, don;t let that fool you. He is in fact a humanitarian afflicted with an acute case of Tourette's Syndrome. Contrary to the advice of his doctor, he insists on using voice dictation software to compile his posts.

If you’re listening Ibraham, perhaps it's time to get your money back and go back to old school (using a keyboard) like the rest of us. The lesson here is to read the warning label on the box next time.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:24:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Addamo takes a left to the chin and jumps out of the ring, hoping his partner eddie will save him from further humiliation.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:38:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Alsmoty forgot, Ibrham's other obsession; playing with action figures while sitting naked in the bath tub.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:44:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

You forget a lot of things. Truth, reality, ethics among the top three that you have forgotten, or never learned.

(Addamo gets clocked again because his partner refuses to tag in out of fear)

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:30:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

One more thing. Ibrahanm has a highly developed sense of humor, hence the reference to truth, reality, and ethics.

I'm surprised you didn't throw in the one about being a chick magnet too Ibraham.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:37:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Yes, one has to laugh thinking about how miserable your life is.

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:34:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
"Being what? A member of the race you despise so much you're driven to bait them? Being a member of a race you consider so superior to yourself that it drives you into fits of rage?"

Hey Ibrahamav, what "race" do you believe you a "member" of? Do you believe other people believe this "race" is "superior? If so, why would you think people believe that?

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:01:00 pm  
Blogger Mannie said...

"Being a member of a race you consider so superior to yourself -----"
Now where have we heard this before?
From Nazi Germany where the Herrenvolk considered themselves superior to all the "Untermenschen"?
From apartheid South Africa where the Afrikaner volk considered themselves god's chosen people after the children of Israel?
Would someone define race and explain which race is superior to which other race??
Is this a valid argument about anti-semitism and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:12:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Did addamo change his name to mannie because he lost all credibility with his phony credentials.

Eddie, ask addamo about why he considers one race or another superior so him that he loses coherency in his posts.

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:07:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

You can ask me anything you want Ibraham - just rememeber to be cohenrent.

I don't consider any race or religion to hold any higher level of entitlement or superiority to any other. In fact, I find the whole notion or racial, enthnic or religious superiority to be repugnant.

Does that answer your question Ibraham?

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:52:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Ask you? All you do is lie, like you did with your so-called credentials.

I consider eddie to be a far more truthful, though deviant, poster.

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:18:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Yes keep repeating that mantra all you like Ibraham. I now how important it is for you to believe you are winning.

Answering your qeustion about my credentials would be lost on you anyway, seeing as you have no idea about my field. Such information woudl likely go clearly over your head.

Nice to see you still have a "thing" for Eddie. Maybe he can educate you and perhaps even assist in your integration into society....one you leave the pshichiatric ward.

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:22:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Which mantra? That you are a lying antisemite, or that you are a stupid antisemite?

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:43:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

I do really admire the way you are able to function in this world, while dealing with both paranoid schizophrenia and acute autism.

Your obsessive, compulsive and compeltely non-contextual use of the term anti-Semite could not be explained any other way. Do you have the word mapped to a hot key or somthing?

Takes a special kind of man, and there's no denying that you are very special Ibraham.

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:48:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

And there is nothing unique about you. You're just a run-of-the-mill bigot who failed to get into public school.

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 4:12:00 am  
Blogger Mannie said...

Ibrahamav never answers questions - all he does is abuse his fellow bloggers. He never gives reasoned arguments and remains a bigot.
And no, Addamo did not change his name to Mannie - we are still two separate individuals - who try to work out what these rantings lead to when all they end up with all the time is accusing everybody who disagrees with Ibrahamav of anti-semitism!

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:30:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
"Eddie, ask addamo about why he considers one race or another superior"
As Addamo_01 has pointed out, he hasn't made any such claim. YOU keep making that claim about HIM (and me once). What I want to know is why YOU believe OTHERS regard a certain "race" as "superior".

Ibrahamav said...
"You're just a run-of-the-mill bigot who failed to get into public school."
Given the reference to "public school". Ibrahamav would it be correct to assume you hail from Great Britain?

Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:41:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Mannie expects me to have a reasoned argument with an antisemite. What a laugh. An antisemites prejudices run so deep that it is useless arguing with him as nothing will sink in. So it is a waste of time.

Nice to see that two nutcases like mannie and addamo are going to work out their differences, like it matters what insanity they agree on.

Eddie, sorry to see that you can't fathom addamo's pleas for help.

Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:09:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Oh for God's sake Ibrham, cut the crap. All you do is contruct straw men and invent what they are saying or imagining, or what motivates them.

Maybe try and sticj to the argument. If you want a constructive debate, leave out the slurs and the obligatory anti-Semitic punctuation, and you might be surprised.

Or do you just get off on slinging bile and venom at people?

Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:51:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

I didn't event you, you just popped up. When the conversations runs to a point where the other sides argument is based in antisemitism, I'm going to point it out.

I don't believe in measured response, and the other guy doesn't get to get his lick first. I'm not here to fight fair.

Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:33:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

No one is asking you to fight fair. In fact, there should be no reason to fight at all.

As I have said before, I believe you have much you can bring to the debate. I'm sure I speak for others when I say we are intersted in what you have to say, but your threshold as to what constitutes anti-Semitism denies us that opportunity.

I don't expect you to accept any advice from me, but there can't be any harm in being less defensive. Applying the charge of anti-Semitism more selectively will make the charge more poweful, not less.

Peace.

Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:34:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

I have a low threshold. And i intend to keep it low.

Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:05:00 am  

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