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Thursday, November 17, 2005

Listening is important

Bitterlemons is a weekly online newsletter featuring Israeli and Palestinian voices on the conflict. It's often essential reading. Virtually every perspective is covered, from the settler movement, to Hamas, to Jewish and Palestinian moderates.

This week is no exception: "One year after Arafat."

12 Comments:

Blogger Ibrahamav said...

They are well written and well thought-out. I certainly don't agree with all of it but it certainly brings in new ideas.

Thursday, November 17, 2005 1:21:00 pm  
Blogger Human said...

Great link Antony. Thanks. It is because of you and your blog that I have delved more into the conflict than I have in the past. That is to mean from Palestinian and Israeli viewpoints, not American.
Peace.

Thursday, November 17, 2005 2:36:00 pm  
Blogger Human said...

I just read Rumsfeld willbe in Adelaide thurs. I hope that he is protested. Give Rummy a bad Tummy please.

Thursday, November 17, 2005 3:50:00 pm  
Blogger smiths said...

hey just a quick question, i was away for a few days and was looking for the bit where ibrahamav responded in some intelligent way to humans massive list of links to 'respected' news sources re: israelis fleeing just in time,
i saw the bit where ibrahamav threw pointless labels at human without a shred of evidence and human did not stoop to his level,
i just cant find the considered responses

Thursday, November 17, 2005 7:54:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Smith - it appears that you missed the action. Your praise for (in)human is unwarranted.

But then you might just be baiting and hoping for a response of this nature.

Thanks for screwing up a thread that actually appeared to be going some where.

Friday, November 18, 2005 12:32:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Human said...
"I just read Rumsfeld willbe in Adelaide thurs. I hope that he is protested. Give Rummy a bad Tummy please. "

HA! By all accounts, wherever Rummy goes, that area of the city gets completely locked down. Security is so tight not even security can get to him, let alone someone who wants to say, "Murdering scum."

Friday, November 18, 2005 12:59:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

I remember when Clinton came to Sydney, half the city was closed to traffic. I wasn't even allowed to pick up my wife from a clinic.

I'm sure security has increased by an order of magnitude since then.

Friday, November 18, 2005 2:22:00 am  
Blogger Human said...

smiths - Thanks for the compliment. I don't have time to try to find the thread you refer to, however I think I was responding to an oblique attack on me when I posted the referances? For my usual response to ibrahamav is to tell him to seek professional help. I'm not being cute. I really think he needs it. I do see something that I must say surprised me at the start of this thread - "They are well written and well thought-out. I certainly don't agree with all of it but it certainly brings in new ideas." It was the 1st comment I read from ibrahamav that was not based on his persecution complex and was quite gentlemanly.. Your referance and question seems to have "upset" this, hence "Thanks for screwing up a thread that actually appeared to be going some where."
You see?
I would have prefered to respond on your "blog", but I can't post on a profile.

edward - Any resistance is most welcome. Has anyone done this in - http://www.freewayblogger.com/
Australia? I have written to various Newspapers in Australia however I think I made a big mistake in addressing most of them to the Canberra Times!
Peace.

Friday, November 18, 2005 2:23:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

I see (in)human continues the effort to fuck-up threads. Just another baiter from way back who doesn't know his place in society.

Friday, November 18, 2005 2:46:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Interesting what he says about Arafat. At least he endeavours to understand the person and what drove him, rather than supeorfically dismiss him as a terrorist.

I think that any man who occupies a poisiton of leadership as long as Arafat did, is bound to fall victim to the excesses of power.

He could only take the Palestinian cause so far, before becomming a liability, but he was unable to see that.

Friday, November 18, 2005 10:27:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Because his power had always been unchecked from inside, he quickly became intoxicated with the trappings of power.

Friday, November 18, 2005 2:17:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Yes, he certainly wasn't doing anything to nurture or encourage any kind of successor. Sure signs he proabably didn't trust anyone close to him.

There were concerns this would lead to a ower vacuum, but that hasn't materialised.

Friday, November 18, 2005 3:29:00 pm  

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