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Friday, December 09, 2005

Put a sock in it

Iran's President ramps up the rhetoric. Again:

"Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Thursday expressed doubt that the Holocaust occurred and suggested Israel be moved to Europe.

"'Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces and they insist on it to the extent that if anyone proves something contrary to that they condemn that person and throw them in jail,' IRNA quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.

"'Although we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true, we ask the Europeans: Is the killing of innocent Jewish people by Hitler the reason for their support to the occupiers of Jerusalem?'"

Ahmadinejad is clearly trying to appeal to a domestic audience and certain elements within the Arab world. His comments are, of course, completely unacceptable and will only increase the pressure on his country.

Perhaps he should get out more.


Blogger Shabadoo said...

Hey, let's give these people a NUKE!

Friday, December 09, 2005 11:51:00 am  
Blogger kei & yuri said...

Indeed his racist stupidity is intolerable and visible as soon as we ask if he would put up with Zionist commentators questioning whether any Palestinians were expelled, tortured, killed, or born in the first place. He probably doesn't really care one way or the other, but he knows that by saying this he is killing a dozen people from heart attacks and upsetting many more, which is like the sociopathic Rethugs constantly replaying animations and footage of IX/XI. However, there is a legitimate point this twit is tainting with his deliberate pulse teasing: the argument that Zionism is some kind of cure for bigotry, a penance for European crimes paid for by non-Europeans. We have said for years that in a just world with an honest Zionism and an honorable Germany, Israel would be the Ruhr Valley with a bit opening onto the Mediterannean Sea.

Friday, December 09, 2005 12:45:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

I have long mainatained that Golda Mier did the world a great injustice by choosing not to use her nukes in 1973. Still, it's not too late in 2005 or 2006 if we really must wait.

Friday, December 09, 2005 4:39:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

You're long maintained? Jeez, nuked who? Have you looked at the region's geography recently? But, of course, you don't actually know much about the region or its people, yet seem to hate Arabs. Congrats.
You're a war-monger and a fool.

Friday, December 09, 2005 4:54:00 pm  
Blogger chasc said...

And you, Lowenstein, are a fool.

The Iraqi president (and you) should know, by now, that his comments will be received by a broad audience. Try not explaining the inexplicable.

Friday, December 09, 2005 10:57:00 pm  
Blogger chasc said...

Make that "Irani" - sorry for the typo

Friday, December 09, 2005 11:01:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Take it easy Chasc, the Iranian president is known for beign all bluster and no balls. His comments were made for domestic consumotion.

You thnk they are any more significant than Bush labelling Iraq as part of the axis of evil? After all, in the simplistic and coimmic book wordl of Dubya, evil needs to be irradictaed no?

Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:35:00 am  
Blogger neoleftychick said...


I am afraid that your comments are typical of the hypocrisy we have been getting from the Arab muslim males for generations. If, for example, during an election campaign John Howard or George Bush made a speech saying "We should wipe the West Bank and Gaza off the map" or "all those Palestinians should move to the two Paelstinian states that already exist - Jordan and Syria" Would you say "don't worry about it; it's just for 'domestic consumption?'"

The excuse "it's just for domestic consumption" has been used time and time and time again by Arab Muslim males who refuse to grow up and look at their societies honestly.

I have been reading about the 6 Day War. All the terrorist apologist Arabists spend whole articles and books spitting venom at Israel for winning so impressively. They whinge "oh, but that was just Arab bluster. They didn't mean it. It was just for their local constituents."

In other words, the Jewish political leadership and military have some ethical obligation to help the likes of Nasser, Hussein, and Syrian Soviet-stooges flex their "destroy Israel muscles.

It seems that the Arab muslim male thinks that he has a right to line all his weaponry along Israel's borders and Israel is obliged to tell her people "oh don't worry about it, it's just those fiesty Arabs, it's all just for 'domestic consumption' no need to worry."

What really irks me is that on the one hand we westerners are rebuked for not realising this is all just harmless Arab fun. Yet when we DO identify some trait, attitude, or behaviour as typically Arab, the writs fly, anti-discrimination cases explode, students are abused in seminars for being a "racist" or even worse an "orientalist."

Quite frankly, I am starting to see the whole Arab muslim whinge thing for the evil sham that it is. Call me an "orientalist" if you wish, but from now on I shall be calling it as I see it, and not how some cynical fraudulent yuppie Egyptian American academic saw it.

Enough is enough already.

Saturday, December 10, 2005 1:03:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

"I am starting to see the whole Arab muslim whinge thing for the evil sham that it is."
Good to see where you stand. Again, spent much time in the Middle East ever, let alone time with Arab people?
No, didn't think so.

Saturday, December 10, 2005 1:18:00 pm  
Blogger psydoc said...

Ant, I really don't understand what it is about the Iranian President that got under your nose. It is essentially an extrapolation of what you have been saying for ages.

Saturday, December 10, 2005 1:22:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...


Your repeated references to the Arab Muslim male sounds like you battling some serious issues beyond logic debate. The simple fact is that Iran could not do a thing to hurt Israel short of condemning their own country to annihilation.

Domestic agenda’s drive almost every aspect of politics in any country, bar none. One need only listen to any one of Bush’s diatribes to realize his messages are always directed at his Red State base.

And what’s this ridiculous fantasy about Arab Muslim Males lining up their weaponry along Israel’s borders? You sound like some frustrated toddler playing in a sand pit. There is a huge difference between talking tough and amassing troops on Israel’s border. You’re completely out of touch with reality.

It sounds to me that your greatest frustration is that you want a public forum whereby you want to be able to tell Arabs what you really think of them, but have denied such a venue. Sorry, but it goes both ways darl. No one can say boo about Israel in the MSM without committing career suicide.

Saturday, December 10, 2005 1:41:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...


MORE excuses. Now, it's Bush, the MSM, The Jew!!!


Saturday, December 10, 2005 2:07:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Excuses when it's Arabs. Facts when it's Israel right Lefty?

Lay off the cafeen for a while babe.

Saturday, December 10, 2005 2:09:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...


The Israelis have a first world economy, an internationally admired legal system and Supreme Court, countless Nobel Prize winners, a booming tech and entrepreneurial culture. It ahs an enviable welfare state and its Arab Muslim residents have the highest standards of living in the entire Arab Muslim world.

It has runs on the boards that it has every right to be prioud of. Hardly excuses hun.

Saturday, December 10, 2005 2:36:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Yes Israeli's have a highly admirable legacy, though I suspect that the state of the economy in Israel is misleading given the bttomless well of support it receives from the US.

Arab countries are obviously in a sad state, but I thik it's very hard to gauge how bad or good it woudl have been had the West not had their hands in the region, expliting it for centuries. We like to assume that Western influence has been good for the region, but I guess we'll never know.

Saturday, December 10, 2005 3:05:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...


Actually we DO know. By the middle of the 20th century there living standards would have been even more abysmal.

They would have been living in a complete Dark Age and either Hitler, Stalin, the Japanese or the Chinese would have annexed the area. They would have seized all the oil fields sending the mullahs and shieks packing to Siberia, the gas chambers or elsewhere. What Hitler might have done with the locals we can only guess

Sunday, December 11, 2005 5:49:00 pm  

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