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Saturday, December 17, 2005

Taking on the bigots

An unfortunate, but perhaps understandable, situation:

"Arab governments appeared reluctant Thursday to condemn Iran's president for calling the Holocaust a 'myth' used by Europeans to create a Jewish state in the heart of the Islamic world.

"While official Arab reaction in such cases is usually slower than international reaction, any issue involving a defence of Israel is a thorny one for Arab governments, who risk appearing to side with Israel against a Muslim nation."

Al Ayyam newspaper, close to the Palestinian Authority, was a notable exception.

19 Comments:

Blogger Comical_Ali said...

Holocaust denial and Anti-semitism and the reluctance to subsequently condemn it outright is 'understandable'?

Sunday, December 18, 2005 8:40:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

It is understandable concerning the Islamic mindset. It is like morality.

As morality is driven, not by rational and reasonable thought, but rather by a God-given edict. The Islamic desire to kill the infidel is moral. Very moral. As is Islamic antisemitism.

Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:05:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

"understandable" is not the same as excusable.

Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:49:00 am  
Blogger orang said...

That Ahmadinejad, what a guy.

The John Howard of Iran.

Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:55:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Anyone think someone is sending Ahmadinejad a message?

Assassination attempt on Iran's Ahmadinejad?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47956

Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:24:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
It is understandable concerning the Islamic mindset.

Yeah you're right. I met a convert (or revert if you prefer) the other day. He went from being a completely normal human being into a crazed lunatic who did nothing but feverishly sniff around the room looking for an aeroplane to fly into a building. Get a grip ... on something ... anything.

Sunday, December 18, 2005 1:12:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

And who said eddie had no sense of humor?

Sunday, December 18, 2005 1:42:00 pm  
Blogger Clumsy Birds said...

That Ahmadinejad, what a guy.

The John Howard of Iran.


Except Ahmadinejad is not legitimately elected, he’d blame misshapen fruitloops on 'the Jews', he has no concern for Western ideals (like that pesky liberalism/economic liberalism, thing), is a slave to Islamic fundamentalists, doesn’t have to consult a party made up of MPs elected from around his nation on policy development, doesn’t have to inform an opposition (because there is none) on matters of national security, has no effective constitutional obstacles to policy development or the implementation of legislation, and he doesn’t live in a society which allows freedom of the press. Etc., etc....

That and John Howard has no religious obstacle to stop him from eating pork, Ahmadinejad does.

Sunday, December 18, 2005 4:39:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

stewie - OK about the obvious differences, but how about the similarities in the way they play to their base constituents? Or playing up internal law and order events to "get tough on terror"/ clamp down on freedoms.

Sunday, December 18, 2005 4:56:00 pm  
Blogger Comical_Ali said...

the cronulla riots simply highlight the racist underbelly of Australian society -- forget about gang rapes, not to mention the killing, bashing, intimidation of the locals and general racism of the Lebanese muslim thugs.

Forget about the cause of so called "Islamophobia" when citizens of most western countries are threatened with their lives by their own fellow citizens (who happen to be muslim). There is no cause.

On the other hand, Holocaust denial, anti-Semitism, racism and downright Nazism of the Islamic world is " unfortunate but perhaps understandable."

Lowy basically highlighted another reason why he should not be taking seriously on any issue pretaining Jews, Muslims and/or the Middle East.

Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:04:00 pm  
Blogger Comical_Ali said...

Or for that matter Australian society and its "racist underbelly"

Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:10:00 pm  
Blogger Clumsy Birds said...

Interesting points, Comical, I'm sure they will be well-ignored here.

Orange- your comparing the leader of what is still a democratic state with the figurehead of a semi-theocracy.

If Howard claimed the holocaust was a myth, there would be a political backlash across all the seats held by the Coalition (or one would hope so). If the Iranian leadership claimed, say, Muslims are the sons of pigs and donkeys, it could suppress any upset by force and through its controls over civil society.

Your belief that the Coalition plays its constituencies to win seats, no doubt you have many ‘examples’- actions following the 1990s influx of reffo’s, anti-terrorism rhetoric, etc., but the fact remains people are rational and have their own reasons for voting, even if these are sometimes irrational (i.e., voting for the party your parents did/do).

But perhaps, instead of assuming people have been ‘tricked’ into voting for the Liberals, its time to accept Australia’s goodwill for the Middle East and its (often fleeing) inhabitants has run out? Perhaps this is the real reason the Coalition has been consistently returned to power since March 1996? Then again, it’s easier for you to claim a ‘racist underbelly’, and ‘fear of the other’, and other assorted terms sociologists have made up.

If you are opposed to the Government, unlike in Iran and with the Iranian leadership, you can express your views in public and within the civil society sphere. You haven’t lost the freedom to do that.

Sunday, December 18, 2005 8:45:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

The first thing we need to do is campaign vigorously to have the government remove that odious word "multiculturalism" from all government discourse.

Next we need to start a public conversation on what makes a strong culture. This will be painful for the taxpayer-funded multiculturalism sponges.

Did you all see that lying bludger Keysar Trad on TV? He is supposed to be "disabled." How much do we pay for him and his herd of Muslim bludgers?

We all then to be honest. Islam is nowhere near up to par as a suitable influence in Australia,

These conversations will certainly help.

Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:19:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

The first thing we need to do is campaign vigorously to have the government remove that odious word "multiculturalism" from all government discourse.

Next we need to start a public conversation on what makes a strong culture. This will be painful for the taxpayer-funded multiculturalism sponges.

Did you all see that lying bludger Keysar Trad on TV? He is supposed to be "disabled." How much do we pay for him and his herd of Muslim bludgers?

We all then to be honest. Islam is nowhere near up to par as a suitable influence in Australia,

These conversations will certainly help.

Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:20:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

We should all support the right of Israelis to live securely in peace. The "Palestinian" people have just declared that they are a terrorist nation.

I would heartily support Israel doing whatever was necessary to cleanse the west Bank of these mass-murdering child molesters. Nuking them till they glow would be best and quickest, but too much of an after effect.

We should open a multi-faith dialogue of what is the best way to rid Israel of the Towelhead menace!

Suggestions?

Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:35:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

neoleftychick said...
Suggestions?

A psychiatrist - post haste!

Sunday, December 18, 2005 11:08:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

I do believe Neo has just outed herself as an antisemite and a hater of humanity who wants to destroy Israel.

A nuke set off in the West bank would devastate a significant part of Israel, and the radioactive fallout would kill thousands.

Neo is indeed a neofascist. Your diagnosis was spot on Eddie.

Monday, December 19, 2005 6:01:00 am  
Blogger orang said...

Is'nt this the Massada Complex thingy?

Monday, December 19, 2005 6:20:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Perhaps, but don't you need to be an Israeli living in Israel to qualify?

Monday, December 19, 2005 7:38:00 am  

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