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Friday, January 06, 2006

Getting behind the headlines

Mustafa Barghouti, secretary-general of the Palestinian National Initiative, Al-Ahram, 1-7 January:

"What is happening on the ground is the creation of a system of apartheid. Of 960 million cubic metres of water that is generated in the West Bank, Palestinians are allowed to use only 109, one-tenth of our water. The rest goes to Israel. On average, a Palestinian citizen in the West Bank is allowed to use no more than 36 cubic metres of water per year, while Israeli settlers in the West Bank can use up to 2,400 cubic metres. We are not allowed to use our own roads and streets. We are not allowed to build houses. We are not allowed to move freely. Our GDP per capita is less than $1,000 while Israel's is almost $20,000, and still we have an imposed tax and market union which obliges us to buy products at the same cost as Israelis."

While Sharon lies on his deathbed, the Sydney Morning Herald offers this page one headline: "Peace hopes hang by a thread." Peace according to whom? We all know the answer.

33 Comments:

Blogger Shabadoo said...

Limited growth? Harsh tax regimes? No freedom to build or use roads? Water rationing?

Have the Greens gotten a candidate over the line in the Territories?

Friday, January 06, 2006 10:49:00 am  
Blogger orang said...

Yes, headline is not surprising. Sharon pulls out of the hell hole Gaza so he can have a free hand stealing the West Bank and all of Jerusalem. And the f*kheads are trying to convince us he's a centrist and a peacemaker. Compared to the rest of Israel, or to civilisation?
Is this an embedded reporter? If we hear this crap often enough will we believe it? - Say over and over: "Sharon, a centrist, peacemaker. Now doubts about peace...Israel going to to the right...Pali's should take any "offer"...for their own good...need a partner for peace.

Meanwhile, what do those who have experienced the sharp point of him and Israeli politics say about Sharon's exit?

Friday, January 06, 2006 10:50:00 am  
Blogger kei & yuri said...

We now think that there is a reason besides morality for the Zionist scam to get out of the way of decency. While not the same thing as a belief in a Godlike ultimate justice, it is ominous. The upshot is that old-style empires, the mechanics of which Zionism presumes to employ, were over really in WWI and this became obvious on the death of the overt old empires following WWII. The Israelis honestly want to drive everyone else in the world insane with their hatred-inspiring evil, deflecting all criticism with as much dishonesty and mendacity as possible. How long can they do this without more and more people attacking them? Israel has no desire whatsoever for reconciliation, peace, justice or civilization. After decades of disrupting, attacking and defaming peaceful opponents, Israel will find itself left with violent enemies. Are 200 hundred nuclear weapons enough for the non-Israeli world?

Friday, January 06, 2006 11:27:00 am  
Blogger Iqbal Khaldun said...

When I visited Masada in Israel late last year I remember hearing the tour guide say something that may as well have been a Freudian slip. Masada is a historical site of mythical proportions to Zionists, not dissimilar to the shrine at Karbala which 'commemorates' the massacre of Imam Ali's followers. The basic story is this. During Roman times, a group of zealot Jews walled themselves up in an imposing mountain-top fortress. Eventually the Romans breached the fortress. But not before the zealots inside killed themselves. In modern Israel, young soldiers are taken to Masada to hear the story and proclaim 'Masada shall never fall again.'

The tour guide explained in some detail how the Romans laid siege to the fortress. "The Romans were never in a hurry. They conquered the world in their own time." The implication was obvious. With overwhelming force and inordinant support from the world's greatest military and economic entity, Israel need not rush itself with any plans for overnight conquest of occupied Palestine. Instead, Israel has decided to squeeze the Palestinians off their land, piece by piece.

As a key architect of the settlement program stretching back some decades, the role played by Sharon in the present injustice cannot be underestimated. Yet if war is peace then Sharon is without doubt, to borrow an infamous phrase, "a man of peace."

Friday, January 06, 2006 12:58:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

As always Iqbal, a thoughtful and interesting post.

Friday, January 06, 2006 2:00:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

As the palestinians have refused every offer of peace, either by refusal to perform anything that they have agreed to, or outright refusal of the offer, there is no wonder they continue to lose what they would claim to be theirs.

Little by little, they breed themselves into tighter quarters.

Friday, January 06, 2006 2:55:00 pm  
Blogger violet said...

kei & uri


After decades of disrupting, attacking and defaming peaceful opponents

Praytell, who are the peaceful opponents of Israel? The Palestinians? Your comment is almost too ridiculous to answer -- but I couldn't let your dishonesty pass without a response.

Friday, January 06, 2006 4:38:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

Friday, January 06, 2006 4:41:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
"As the palestinians have refused every offer of peace"

Ibby, a little help - in case you get confused in the future.

If someone "offers" to put his boot on your neck for all eternity, he's not offering you "peace".

Friday, January 06, 2006 4:42:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

I applaud eddies understanding of the offer made by Hamas. But he is still an antisemite.

Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:01:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Violet said...

"Praytell, who are the peaceful opponents of Israel? The Palestinians? Your comment is almost too ridiculous to answer -- but I couldn't let your dishonesty pass without a response."

...and what a unique response indeed considering that Israel's peaceful opponent to Palestine was ragrded as a war criminal, even in his own country.

I think Galloway put it best when he observed how bizarre it was that Bush should describe Sharon as a man of peace, when even Sharon woulndn't consider himself a man of peace.

Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:07:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
"I applaud eddies understanding of the offer made by Hamas. But he is still an antisemite."

And I deplore your lack of incomprehension skills. But you're still a neo-Nazi.

Saturday, January 07, 2006 3:05:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

You deplore that which you have no knowledge. You're just a run-of-the-mill antisemite.

Saturday, January 07, 2006 3:47:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Just out of curiousity Ibraham,

Why do you frequent this forum? Correct me if I'm wrong, but from observation, it doesn't seem to be an overly pleasant experience for you.

Saturday, January 07, 2006 1:34:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Some reason your curiousity forms an obligation on anyone? Some reason your observation actually means something, even to you?

For whatever reason I frequent this forum, it serves that reason.

Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:35:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Addamo_01 said...
"Why do you frequent this forum?"

Addamo, Ibby is here providng a community sevice: entertainment. I mean, seriously, just look at this little ripper!

"For whatever reason I frequent this forum, it serves that reason."

Gold, I tells ya, pure gold.

Saturday, January 07, 2006 3:03:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Of course there is no obligation Ibraham. I was just wondering what purpose it serves you to be in this forum.

You don't seem interested in sharing ideas with others. Perhaps you feel it is your purpose to correct people who are misinformed, but you rarely seem willing to answer questions posed to you, usually implying that the rest of us are not worthy of your time.

Are you actually interested in what others have to say, or is this forum just an an interlude you enjoy between your innner dialogue?

And I must say, your posts of late appear to be degenerating into the indecipherable ramblings one expects to read in a J R R Tolkien or JK Rowling novel.

Is everything alright at home? Because from where the rest of us sit, it certainly isn’t right upstairs.

Saturday, January 07, 2006 3:41:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

I'm not here to answer your nonsense questions nor eddies attempts at Jew baiting.

Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:45:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

So what are you here for?

Sunday, January 08, 2006 4:24:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
"I'm not here to answer your nonsense questions"

Then why do you think you are here? There must be some reason or other. Are you wonesome?

" nor eddies attempts at Jew baiting."

Whadaya mean "Jew baiting"? I'm baiting YOU Ibby, not Jews.

Sunday, January 08, 2006 6:43:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

You see Ibby,

Edward is a neo-nazi baiter.

Sunday, January 08, 2006 7:10:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

No, I don't see. But I do see an antisemitie and his bozo spreading addamo on this blog.

Sunday, January 08, 2006 8:27:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Hey Addamo,

Did Ibbermas used to call you an anti-Semite? I was under the impression that he did, but I can't quite recall now.

Sunday, January 08, 2006 8:48:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

No idea Eddie,

These days he refers to be an human excrement, which I guess is to regarded as a a promotion of sorts, seeing as Ibby is accustomed to eating it.

Sunday, January 08, 2006 8:51:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Did some one leave addamo on the floor again?

Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:59:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

I actually think edward is the dumber of the two, and much more in denial. ;)

Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:17:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

The ral character of people is always exposed by the desperation of the personal attacks and insults they are willing to use in order to win an argument.

In that regard, Ibraham is without peer. Somone who takes the arts of hatres and bitterness beyond the pale.

Neo, there's still time before you become posessed.

Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:47:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Yes. Although Neoleftychick more commonly and more openly calls for genocide, she also at least attempts to construct things that vaguely resemble arguments. E.g.

1. All towelheads are evil rapists.
2. All evil rapists must die.
3. Therefore, all towelhead must die.

Ibby on the other hand doesn't achieve anything like this level of sophistication. Instead, he just wanders around muttering to himself, "Anti-Semite, anti-semite, asses, asses, shit, shit." (Potential Nobel Prize winning material is how Violet would put it, I think.)

Sunday, January 08, 2006 7:30:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Neo - Eddie is smarter than the other, or at least has his agenda always to the front.

The other is just full of addamo.

Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:40:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

....and so contniues Ibraham's juveline obsessions with other people's sexual organs, colons, sexual pervension and bodily excrements.

Ibby, you're the soprt of character that Brett Easton Ellis would write about.

Monday, January 09, 2006 5:43:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

No I'm not. But you're still full of addamo.

Monday, January 09, 2006 3:09:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Having met Brett Easton Ellis, I can confidently say you would be a perfect bromide for one of his sick, perverted, sociopathic characters Ibby.

Monday, January 09, 2006 3:22:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Since you are full of addamo, your statement is obviously untrue.

Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:22:00 am  

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