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Thursday, January 26, 2006

A new dawn

The following advertisement by Israeli peace group Gush Shalom will appear in Haaretz on January 27:

"With Hamas entering the Palestinian parliament, and perhaps the Palestinian government, there presents itself a historical opportunity to include this movement, with its leaders, members, sympathizers and voters, in the peace process. Any peace agreement so reached will be stronger and more durable.

"Every Palestinian group that talks with the Government of Israel does thereby recognize the State of Israel in practice.

"In the past, that applied to the PLO. The same way, it applies now to Hamas."

For more information on the Palestinian elections, see here, here and here.

Leading Israeli journalist Amira Hass expresses the sentiment of the election:

"The elections taking place today in the Palestinian Authority are fluctuating between two poles: The Israeli occupation and its tremendous involvement in Palestinian lives, and the responsibility that the occupied have for their own lives. The world, led by Israel, loves to forget that the Palestinian parliament and government, despite their respectable name, are not state institutions, and that the PA enclaves are not independent."

36 Comments:

Blogger Melanie said...

Gush Shalom are very naive. With all the negotiations with the PA under Arafat and now under Abbas, the PA never stopped funding and inciting terrorism. And with Hamas it is even worse. Hamas will use any dialogue with Israel as a temporary means to get consessions, using groups like Gush Shalom - and even the US State Dept - to try to pressure Israel into make consessions with its security - and then Hamas will show its true colours.
First Hamas has to change their charter about killing Jews, as do all the Palestinians political parties need to recognise Israel, and then maybe we might move forward. I won't hold my breath

Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:54:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

When they find out that what was offered to Arafat is no longer on the table, fireworks will occur.

Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:01:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Melanie,

Is it at all possible that Hammas is pursuing a more moderate path given the frtuitlessness of the previous one?

If there is an agenda, then it will be shown as you have suggested. They are in no position, nor will they ever be to blackmail anyone.

Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:01:00 pm  
Blogger Melanie said...

from the Hamas Charter :
"Hamas is one of the links in the Chain of Jihad in the confrontation with the Zionist invasion..... The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine has been an Islamic Waqf throughout the generations and until the Day of Resurrection, no one can renounce it or part of it, or abandon it or part of it. No Arab country nor the aggregate of all Arab countries, and no Arab King or President nor all of them in the aggregate, have the right, nor has that right any organization or the aggregate of all organizations , be they Palestinian or Arab, because Palestine is an Islamic Waqf throughout all generations and to the Day of Resurrection..... Initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion; the nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of this faith, the movement educates it members to adhere to its principles and to raise the banner of Allah over their homeland as they fight their Jihad.... When our enemies usurp some Islamic lands, Jihad becomes a duty binding on all Muslims. In order to face the usurpation of Palestine by Jews, we have no escape from raising the banner of Jihad...We must spread the spirit of Jihad among the Umma (Islamic world population), clash with the enemies and join the ranks of the Jihad fighters."

Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:16:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

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Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:50:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Melanie,

Does Ziomism not imply a commitment to realise a greater Israel? So does this not suggest that Israel is in fact waiting for the opportunity to act on this vision? The strnglingof Palestinian enclaves is not part of this long term goal? The push to have Syria neutered in not part fo this goal?

Are these aimsn in fact not very similar to those of Hamas?

Friday, January 27, 2006 12:32:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Religious Zionism, as preached by NK, envisions a 'greater' Israel when the messiah comes. But NK is less than 1/10 of 1 percent.

Hamas openly preaches Genocide. Hamas is supported by the majority of Palestinian people. Therefore, the majority of palestinian people want...

No similarity whatsoever.

Friday, January 27, 2006 1:12:00 am  
Blogger Melanie said...

addammo:"Does Ziomism not imply a commitment to realise a greater Israel?"
You have no idea about Zionism. Zionism is the belief in a Jewish homeland and Zionist range from far right to far left. Your question just proves how clueless you are because even groups like Yesh Gvul, who are far left are Zionists.

Friday, January 27, 2006 2:43:00 am  
Blogger Melanie said...

Oh and addammo, I was involved in Yesh Gvul in the early 1980's.

Friday, January 27, 2006 2:46:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

He isn't clueless, he is playing the shill.

Khazars, "greater" Israel, never heard of Zundel, just curious...

Do you see who this addamo-filled person is?

Friday, January 27, 2006 2:46:00 am  
Blogger Melanie said...

What do you say addammo? Does ibrahamav have a point?

Friday, January 27, 2006 2:55:00 am  
Blogger Melanie said...

And personally addammo, I can see ibrahamav's point here, you aren't clueless, you seem to have a wider agenda.

Friday, January 27, 2006 3:01:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

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Friday, January 27, 2006 3:21:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Melanie said...
"And personally addammo, I can see ibrahamav's point here...

And what IS his point, Mel?

Friday, January 27, 2006 3:22:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

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Friday, January 27, 2006 3:22:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Is this an admission of ignorance on eddie's part? Or just typical baiting technique so well learned from the Duke camp?

Friday, January 27, 2006 3:46:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

And the point is, for dear clueless eddie's edification:

Religious Zionism, as preached by NK, envisions a 'greater' Israel when the messiah comes. But NK is less than 1/10 of 1 percent.

Hamas openly preaches Genocide. Hamas is supported by the majority of Palestinian people. Therefore, the majority of palestinian people want...

There is no similarity whatsoever between the desires of the Palestinian people as expressed by their elected leadership and the desires of NK.

Friday, January 27, 2006 3:48:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Melanie my dear,

it is you that is clueless.

Ibrahamav said...
"Hamas openly preaches Genocide. Hamas is supported by the majority of Palestinian people."

Isn't it a pitty that Hammas only exists today becase Israel gave it support in the first place?

Hammas got it's start after 1967, when the Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza. All of a sudden, an Silamist movement that had been supressed, especially by Nasser flourished during the 70's and 80's.

This was mde possible by the encouragement of the Israeli Militray authorities.

I bet Israel regrets that move now. When will the US and Israel learn that meddling in the affairs of other countries ultimately comes back to bite you in the arse?

Friday, January 27, 2006 5:33:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Regardless of the origination of Hamas, what is of concern is that they openly preach genocide and are officially supported by the majority of the palestinian people.

That means that the majority of the palestinian people openly advocate genocide.

I'm sure everyone regrets introducing your parents, but there is nothing that can be done about that now.

Friday, January 27, 2006 5:47:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Nice try Inraham,

Israel knew what it was getting into by trying to divide and conquer the Palestinians. Rabbin even admitted it was a bad mistake on Israel's part. You play with fire and you get burned.

Same thing with the US and the Mujahadeen, or the US and the overthrow of Mossadegh.

In fact, the US also indirectly supported Hamas thourgh saudi arabia, who were sponsoring the Muslim Brotherhood.

Lay down with dog.....you know the rest.

Friday, January 27, 2006 5:49:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Nice try? Actually, it was a bullseye.

Seems the dog will have to be put down, especially as it has become rabid.

Friday, January 27, 2006 5:52:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

In your dreams.

Oh and have you heard the good news? Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman the AIPAC officials, who were fired, have both been indicted and are set to go on trial in April. Looks like Israel's dirty spy ring is being uncovered.

Ooooooooops.

Friday, January 27, 2006 5:54:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Doesn't look like there is a dirty spy ring at all.

Not that antisemites are concerned about the truth.

Friday, January 27, 2006 6:32:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Then They Came for Me
January 27, 2006
The Justice Department's investigation of two pro-Israel lobbying officials in Washington, shrouded in mystery for much of the past year and a half, is rapidly gaining some clarity as the case moves toward trial. As the fog lifts and the facts of the case become clear, some of the more paranoid conspiracy theories that have been circulating over the months are going to look mighty foolish. On the other hand, the facts might give us some brand-new reasons to be scared.

The investigation became public in August 2004, when CBS News reported that the FBI had a "full-fledged espionage investigation under way." The probe involved a "suspected mole" in the Pentagon allegedly passing secrets to Israel via officials of the vaunted pro-Israel lobbying organization, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. The CBS report launched a frenzy of chattering among anti-Israel types who decided it was another Pollard case, final proof that Israel and its friends in this country represent a looming security threat.

Over the months, leaks and disclosures from the closely guarded investigation began to paint a very different picture. The "mole" was no agent-in-place, but a loyal (and non-Jewish) Pentagon official alarmed at the course of American policy. Nor was there any "espionage"; the Pentagon aide, Lawrence Franklin, evidently hoped to reach his own higher-ups by sidestepping the chain of command and sharing information with well-connected lobbyists, something that happens every day in Washington. As that picture became clear, it helped fuel a whole new conspiracy theory among pro-Israel activists convinced the entire investigation was driven by a single FBI agent with an anti-Jewish agenda.

But the investigation has continued and broadened in reach, costing the federal government millions of dollars and thousands of man-hours. The one-rogue-agent theory, however plausible to begin with, could not stand up in the face what was clearly a full-court press by the federal government. But what were the feds after?

Control, it seems. As Ori Nir reports on Page 1, the government's increasingly public actions in the case make it plain that its goal is to deter leakers and tighten its hold on classified information. The plan, legal scholars are increasingly convinced, is to stake out new legal ground and extend government secrecy laws, making private citizens accountable for violations that were previously enforceable only on government employees.

Under American law as it now stands, a government employee can be punished for leaking classified information, but private citizens can?t be sanctioned for receiving it. If private citizens could be punished, it would have an enormous chilling effect on the ability of the press and the public to expose government wrongdoing. And that, it seems, is the point.

Friday, January 27, 2006 6:57:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

What tripe. Where did that come from Ibby? zionistsareus.com?

Care to explain why AIPCAC have turned their backs on Rosen and Weisman when they were confrinted with the evidence the government had aginst them? Why AIPAC initially provide funds for a legal defense, teh backd out f the deal? Why Rosen and Weissman are threatening to sue AIPAC?

Why Rosen and Weisman are planning on squealing to save their own necks – and putting the blame on AIPAC, insisting that eveythig they did was with the full knowledge and approval of AIPAC.

Spy With a Heart of Gold?
Was an American spy for Israel trying to "help" his country?
by Justin Raimondo

In sentencing former top Pentagon Iran analyst Larry Franklin to over 12 years in prison for passing on classified information to two AIPAC employees and officials at the Israeli embassy, U.S. District Judge T. S. Ellis opined:

"'The defendant did not seek to hurt the United States. He thought he was helping to bring certain information to the attention' of the security council."

It's possible that a spy could believe he's helping his country by spying on behalf of a foreign power: after all, during the Cold War era, American agents of the Soviet Union doubtless believed they were helping to build a better world (and, by implication, a better America) in funneling U.S. secrets to Moscow. In short, their intentions were "good." But so what? That didn't stop prosecutors from throwing the book at them: the Rosenbergs fried – and justice was done.

Franklin may not have thought he was inflicting a blow to U.S. national security – yet that is precisely what he did when he revealed, over a period of many months, classified U.S. information about al-Qaeda, American troop movements in Iraq, and other secrets to a cabal of Israeli spies centered in the top rungs of AIPAC – the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a lobbying group for Israel that wields enormous clout in Congress and the highest councils of our government. Alarmed over Iran's growing influence in Iraq, and the security implications for Israel, Franklin sought out Steve Rosen, AIPAC's top lobbyist, and Keith Weissman, AIPAC's Middle East policy expert, in an effort to influence U.S. policy. The goal: get the U.S. to confront Iran. The means: leak classified information supporting such a position to AIPAC and the Israelis, who would then use their considerable influence inside policymaking circles to steer a collision course with Tehran.

The idea, in essence, was to gin up another war in the Middle East, one that would directly benefit the Israelis – this, in the mind of Judge Ellis, means he wasn't seeking to "hurt the United States."

What this case shows is that the roots of the current war hysteria over Iran's alleged attempts to build nukes really go back before the invasion of Iraq, to 2002, when Rosen and Weissman first recruited Franklin into their spy ring. The story coming from Franklin's defenders is that the Pentagon analyst, "frustrated with what he saw as government inaction against the threat posed by Iran" – as the Associated Press report put it – "decided to take national security into his own hands." In this version, Franklin is a kind of Paul Revere character, riding around on his horse yelling, "The Iranians are coming! The Iranians are coming!" The only problem with this exculpatory narrative is that Franklin's recruitment into the spy ring predates the invasion of Iraq and the subsequent power vacuum that Tehran began to fill.

The Israelis, having anticipated the triumph of Tehran resulting from the Iraq invasion, were already beginning to play the Iran card, setting up their next target for "regime change." This involved, to begin with, a covert action spearheaded by AIPAC to gather intelligence and lay the groundwork for directly influencing U.S. government policy toward Iran.

The AIPAC defense, of course, is that this is simply "lobbying," and that "everybody does it" – but does "everybody" steal our secrets, compromise the sources and methods of U.S. intelligence-gathering, and meet with foreign agents? The indictment of Franklin and his co-conspirators shows that they collected information and documents relating to internal discussions and policy debates occurring at the time over the Iran question: the Israelis, it is clear, were positioning themselves, using classified information to build and buttress their case that Iran had to be confronted.

The Israelis are now engaging in a bit of blustering, hinting broadly that they are ready to nip Iran's nuclear program in the bud by conducting a raid similar to that carried out at Osirak, Iraq, in 1981, when Israeli warplanes bombed Saddam's nascent nuclear facility. That probably isn't going to happen in this case, however, for two reasons: (1) The geographical spread of the various suspected nuclear sites prevents any attempt to knock them out in a single blow, or even several blows, and (2) Instead of fighting their own battles, the Israelis would much rather use the U.S. to do their dirty work, whenever possible – and that seems highly possible given their past success in this area.

Between the indictment and Franklin's sentencing, there have been a number of interesting, albeit underreported, developments in the AIPAC spy ring case: for one thing, Rosen and Weissman are threatening to sue AIPAC, their former employer. The pro-Israel lobbying group swiftly threw the AIPAC Two overboard when the government presented some of the evidence it had, although AIPAC agreed to provide funds for a legal defense. The lobbying group soon began to back away from the deal, however, after it became apparent that the two were planning on squealing to save their own necks – and putting the blame on AIPAC, which, they claim, knew all about their activities, and fully approved.

The arrest and prosecution of Franklin, Rosen, and Weissman has to be seen in the context of a widening rupture in the "special relationship" between Israel and the U.S., its principal ally and protector. In the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the need for the U.S. to gain support from Muslims, especially in the Middle East, put Israeli and American interests at loggerheads. A way had to be found to divert U.S. policymakers from their principal task – getting bin Laden and smashing al-Qaeda – and directing our retaliatory energy at another, altogether different target: Saddam Hussein and his secular-nationalist regime in Iraq. In this way, the Israelis – acting through their powerful lobbying groups and other U.S. assets – harnessed American military power and used it to take the offensive against their enemies in the Middle East.

First and foremost, and in the short term, this means eliminating the threat to their security posed by Iran and Iranian-backed groups such as Lebanon's Hezbollah. In the long term, it means effecting "democratic" regime-change throughout the region, effectively smashing the Arab states and Iran and reducing them to splintered remnants.

Insofar as Iraq is concerned, the Israelis can effectively claim "mission accomplished." The country is on the verge of civil war and has split into at least three de facto mini-states, each based on a particular ethno-religious constituency. When it comes to Iran, though, their strategy is just beginning to be put into practice – and is running up against a major roadblock in the reluctance of the Bushies to climb on board.

When a parasite invades, it hides as long as it can, sucking the vital juices and draining the energy of its host. Yet there is a limit to what the host can tolerate: eventually, it either builds up an immunity to the depredations of its "guest," or it is sucked dry and exhausted to the point of near-death. Having used up nearly all available military and economic resources in Iraq, the U.S. has a choice: it can either build up an immunity to Israeli influence, even a partial one, or it can let itself be turned into a dry husk, a casualty of Tel Aviv's ambitions.

Franklin's stiff sentence is evidence that at least some in the U.S. government have chosen the former course. The upcoming trial of Rosen and Weissman – scheduled for late April – is bound to prove even more instructive. This whole affair illustrates what I have been saying and writing for years: that beneath the surface of the "special relationship," Israel and the U.S. have been engaged in what can only be described as hostilities – in effect, a secret war that escalated in the months prior to 9/11 and has only now begun to come out in the open.

Since 9/11, Israel's amen corner in the U.S. has argued that there is no divergence of interests between Washington and Tel Aviv. The sentencing of Franklin has delivered a powerful retort to the Israel-firsters. Those who oppose the Iraq war and – now – the looming confrontation with Iran, on the grounds that these policies serve Israeli rather than American interests, have been provided with an effective answer: They can point to Franklin and wonder out loud why – if Israel is our bosom buddy – he has been sentenced to over 12 years behind bars.

Franklin is only the tip of a very large and potentially destructive iceberg: come April, U.S. prosecutors will begin exposing and ripping up the rest of the spy ring, which is merely an underground extension of Israel's more open propaganda and intelligence-gathering apparatus in the U.S. And they will do so in full public view, in open court – a prospect that, rightly, fills Israel's fifth column with terror.

It may be that the defense will succeed in further delaying the trial – originally scheduled for January – by demanding all sorts of classified documents, as well as the full transcripts of the wiretapping conducted on the treasonous trio. Then again, lawyers need to get paid, and AIPAC has cut off Rosen and Weissman financially. Whether this means the two discarded spies will spill the beans and implicate AIPAC as an organization that functions as little more than the eyes and ears of the Mossad in Washington remains to be seen. In any case, efforts to spin Franklin as the spy with a heart of gold will likely come to naught as the whole sordid story becomes known.

As far as I'm concerned, April can't come quickly enough.

Friday, January 27, 2006 7:11:00 am  
Blogger RHRoss said...

The win by Hamas is one of the most positive things to happen in recent years ... that and the exit of Sharon from the scene although I would have wished retirement not illness on him.

In this part of the world what people say and what they really want and are prepared to do are different things. Beyond the issue of 'face' and both Israelis and Palestinians suffer from this limitation, Hamas will be so keen to hold on to political power that it will discover a level of pragmatism it did not know it had.

Rightly so. Hamas has already said it is prepared to maintain a ceasefire and negotiate. The mere fact that it will negotiate means that it recognises Israel exists as an entity and changes to its 'charter' will no doubt come.

In the same way that Israel has stated it opposes a Palestinian State, but, when push comes to shove, will change its 'charter' so too will Hamas.

The reality is they are stuck with each other and the signs coming out of Tel Aviv is that that reality is dawning on the post-Sharon Israeli Government.

The Palestinians know it too. They elected Hamas because Fatah through the years has achieved absolutely nothing. To be fair, it was almost impossible for them to achieve much, but they can be held responsible for their corruption.

Hamas has actively worked to make people's lives better. They have seen the results. Of course they vote for Hamas. Hamas is also not purely Islamic .... Christians are also represented.

When all the huffing and puffing and rhetoric dies down I am sure that most people will see that the greatest opportunity for peace and resolution in this miserable and bloody conflict has now appeared.

To the naysayers I would only remind you: If Sharon could be seen as a 'hawk' and 'warrior' capable of getting things done as others could not, then why not Hamas? They fit the same mould in terms of being prepared to use any level of aggression to achieve their end. The trick is to make sure peace is the end.

Sharon did not want peace he wanted victory. Let's hope Hamas want peace and not victory.

Friday, January 27, 2006 7:19:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Well said RH,

Exactly what I said earlier. This legitimising process has brought Hamas into the mainstraem of politics and will untilmately serve to moderate them.

As you Correctly point out, they have seen Fattah and Arafat fail and will do what is necessary to avoid the same fete. They wil be forced to recognise that Israel is not going anywhere and similarly, Israel's empty rhetoric abotu not having a partner in peace will also be put to the test.

The Palestinians are aware of israe's effort to divide them. Hopefully they don't fall for the trap.

So I join you is hoping that Hammas to settle for peace and not victory.

Friday, January 27, 2006 7:39:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

hamas is echoing the Arafat philosophy - Talk peace in English, war in arabic.

Nothing new.

Surely the palestinians will never separate from their genocidal dreams.

Friday, January 27, 2006 8:00:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

You are such an ignoramus.

Hammas was hardly an ally of Arafat. That's abtou as rediculous as saying that Israel believed in butchering people because that's what Sharong was best known for.

"Surely the palestinians will never separate from their genocidal dreams."

Even more stupid and completely racist and biggoted comment. Is it so hard to appreciatr that these people may jut want their land back, and to rebuild the 10,000 homes that have been bulldozed?

Friday, January 27, 2006 8:22:00 am  
Blogger RHRoss said...

The Palestinians will never settle from their dreams of freedom until they have thrown off the yoke of the occupier.

If your nation were occupied would you do differently? I doubt it.

Why should Israel get to live in freedom as a recognised state and the Palestinians get to live under vicious occupation and continued colonisation?

Any one with a shred of integrity would support freedom to live for each side. Once Israel acknowledges the wrongs done in its creation and makes redress and the Palestinians accept, as other colonised peoples have done, that this is where they are at, then both can move forward.

Given that more than three times as many Palestinians have been killed by Israel than Israelis killed by Palestinians, just where do you think the 'genocidal' finger really points?

Not that you do think. My mistake. Might stumble on some truths and realities that way.

Friday, January 27, 2006 8:57:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

For those who are to dumb to read it the first time: Hamas is echoing the Arafat line - Talk peace in English, Talk genocide in Arabic. Understand? Ally? Who said ally?

As the Palestinians are determined to kill the Jews (even electing a body whose charter demands it), it certainly is very racist of them.

That the palestinians are incompetent does not excuse them their genocidal desires.

Here is how the addamo theory of "excused genocide" works - "because the man could not aim straight, he can't be guilty of attempted murder."

Friday, January 27, 2006 9:21:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

That talk is not unique to Palestinians. They talk abtoui peace in English and talk about land aquisition in Hebrew.

Agree to Olso in English, contravene Oslo in Hebrew.

Talk of human rights in English, and continue to forment plans of oppression in Hebrew.

Friday, January 27, 2006 9:24:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

There you go, guessing again. Skimmed off some islamofascist website? Duke.com?

And the addamo gets thick in here.

Friday, January 27, 2006 9:35:00 am  
Blogger RHRoss said...

addamo
Well said. Ibrahamav like all the rest completely ignore the fact that the Palestinians live under occupation. Not only that, it is a brutal, vindictive occupation and it is used for continued colonisation.

Unfortunately, until Israel ends the occupation, ends colonisation and makes redress it is morally bankrupt.

You could have argued your case IF Israel had been a benign occupier and IF Israel had not carried out a process of colonisation and IF Israel demonstrated it was working actively for the betterment of life for Palestinians instead of destruction of all that they have...

but you can't. That means in this instance the Palestinians are the victims and the Israelis the aggressors.

Your hypocrisy is a sign of your denial and ignorance. While Sharon blew sunshine up various orifi he was embarking on the biggest programme of settlement building .... colonisation .... that had been seen in the occupied Territories. Not only that, he was sending his troops to systematically destroy the Palestinian infrastructure: that means any capacity for policing, any capacity for governmental control, any capacity for schooling, any capacity for living anything approximating a normal life.

One of the things that will truly shame Israelis and their supporters is the level of petty, meanspirited, vindictiveness that Israel's army has perpetrated upon the Palestinians. It has come out to a degree but, in time, it will be so transparent that even those in the depths of denial will have to admit to it.

Israel not only owes the Palestinians billions for the land it took and the homes it took but it owes a huge apology for the barbarity of its occupation.

Actually the international community owes reparation to the Palestinians too for supporting the injustice of partition and turning a blind eye to the atrocities perpetrated by Israel.

So too do other Arab nations owe the Palestinians reparation and apology for their lack of support through these decades of suffering.

Truth will eventually out.

Needless to say I think the international community has a lot of apologising to do it is just that we are talking about Palestine here.

Tibet, Chechnya, Nepal, Zimbabwe, Irian Jaya are just a few of the others who have been betrayed by those in our world who have any power to stop injustice and bring about change. Sadly, the list is much longer.

Palestine is probably the most important because it has the greatest potential to escalate into disasterous conflict given the aggressive nature of Israel, the fact that Israel is armed to the teeth and the fact that the US supports Israel right or wrong because it wants to control Middle Eastern oil.

Whatever one's thoughts on the rights and wrongs of this issue, everyone should be wishing, or praying if that is their wont, for peace and for talks to begin between Israel and Palestine.

Friday, January 27, 2006 9:39:00 am  
Blogger RHRoss said...

The you could have argued your case in the last post was addressed to ibrahamav. I should have specified.

Friday, January 27, 2006 9:40:00 am  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

Loewenstein's old heckler comical_ali eventually got sore fingers and eyes and went away to do something in the real world. When will Ibrahamav do the same? The fool appears to possess unlimited energy. Surely there is a more constuctive way it could be channelled. Like into a job or something.

Friday, January 27, 2006 11:50:00 am  

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