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Wednesday, January 04, 2006

On the take?

Yet another political "earthquake" in Israel?

"Channel 10 reported Tuesday that police have evidence that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's family allegedly received $3 million in bribes from Austrian businessman Martin Schlaff, part of a complicated case involving illegal campaign contributions.

"The report showed a document it said was delivered by police to a court that confiscated material from the home of the Schlaff family in Israel, saying it had evidence of bribery. Police have been investigating the case, stemming from the 1999 election, for more than two years."

Who knows how this may affect the forthcoming election, though this is interesting:

Sharon is far ahead in the polls, despite findings that large numbers of voters believe he and his family are corrupt."


Blogger Wombat said...

Compared to the Abramoff case and the tens fo thousands of e-mails that tie him and his dirty deals him to over 20 lawmakers, this is small fry.

Some are suggesting the Abrahmoff scandal could be the biggest in Washington for many decades. That's not even taking into account the boat cruses that were attended by Mohammad Atta.

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:12:00 am  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Abramoff is looking like one of the stories of the year. Watch all the Republican hacks defend the indefensible, or, simply plead ignornance.

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:14:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

I just wonder how this wil pan out. Abramoff has done a deal with the DOJ, which is headed by Gonzales, who is Bush's hand picked point man. Who can follow this through without being silenced os sidelined?

Tom Delay must be turning various shades of green right now.

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:12:00 pm  
Blogger boredinHK said...

AL and others,
as a relative newbie to these subjects I have a question.
I've just come across the IMRA site .
What do readers think of this organisation?

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:49:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Not much. Be aware of any site that solely aims to bring the 'evils' of Arabs/Palestinian terror. Indeed, any resistance to occupation is regarded as such.

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 9:52:00 pm  
Blogger boredinHK said...

OK ,thanks .

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:46:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

When killing a pregnant mother and her 4 daughters is considered, by arab palestinians, to be legitimate resistance to occupation, then IMRA has its place.

Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:16:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

How many hunderds of Palestinians or Iraqi's have died at the hands of occupations since then Ibby? All of whom were considered colateral damage.

The death of a mother and her 4 daughters is tragic yes, but 14 people were bombed to death the other day by the US.

Get some perspective Ibby.

Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:42:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

The only perspective needed is that the DELIBERATE murder of a pregnant woman and her 4 daughters is considered legitimate resistance to occupation by the majority of Palestinin arabs.

Thursday, January 05, 2006 1:29:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Killing thousands of innocent people in Afghanistan was considered by the US a legitimate reponse to 911 was it not?

Careful Ibby, your agruing yourself into a hole.

Thursday, January 05, 2006 1:47:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

The only hole dug was the one you were buried in.

Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:18:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Yo uare truly the Picasso of logic and reason.

Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:32:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

What was that muffled sound?

Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:52:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Oh no Ibby, I said Picasso no Van Gogh. Damn, sis you go cutting off your other ear?

Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:01:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Is that scratching on a box I hear?

Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:22:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

There's a huge pile of addamo and it sounds like it's coming from there.

Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:23:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

You are welcome to say what you wish about me Ibraham, but out of respect for the others on this list, can we put this shit fight to bed?

If you feel the need to vetn, then I am happy to give you my e-mail address.

Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:36:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

I guess we can put it to bed when you realize the moral implication and difference between the deliberate murder of a pregnant woman and her 4 daughters by Palestinian terrorists, at point blank range, placing a bullet in the head of each to ensure death, for the crime of being Jewish on islamic land.

And the accidental, collateral deaths that occur in a time of war when civillians are being used as shields by members of an armed force hiding among them.

Sometimes, the wrong house gets targeted. The wrong people die, and the people of the US do not shrug and say it is war, they are profoundly sad at the death and carnage.

But it does not appear that the vast majority of Palestinian people are profoundly sad at the death and carnage.

Until then you are addamo.

Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:56:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

I cannot presume to be the conscience for Pelstinian terrorists. The death of a woman and her four children is the worst kind of action, but it is highly unlikely that equally dispicable acts have not taken place in Iraq while no one was there to report them.

The shooting of a 56 year old mother (4 bullets te chest), who insisted on covering herself in the company of strange men in her own home, is such a case. Similarly, Iraqi men (who couldn't swim) forced to jump into a river at gunpoint is equally appaling. There was no prpfound regret from the US when these crimes took place, but there was certainly an abundeance of excuses and jsutifications being produced.

There is no such thing as accidental innocents deaths in war. Deaths to innocents are a certaintee when war is undertaken. When one wages war, one takes the descision that civilian deaths are justifiable expense for the cause, especially when that was has been proven to be compeltely and utterly unecessary.

The mere fact that that lunatic at the Pentagon says the US does not do bosy counts or that they refer to civialin deaths as collateral damage (colletively catergorizing with destruction of property), is proof enough that the US regards Iraqis as sub-human and expendable.

Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:25:00 am  
Blogger orang said...

Ibrahamav said...

"I guess we can put it to bed when you realize the moral implication and difference between the deliberate murder of a pregnant woman and her 4 daughters by Palestinian terrorists, at point blank range, placing a bullet in the head of each to ensure death, for the crime of being Jewish on islamic land."

Ib, this is a horrible thing, and I think everyone agrees. However, these atrocities have been carried out by both sides.

You choose to absolve your side by,

"And the accidental, collateral deaths that occur in a time of war when civillians are being used as shields by members of an armed force hiding among them."

Many of these are not at all accidental. Be a denialist all you want but posting this same shit over and over again is boring.

Let me know if you need some links to show that Israel also targets civilians and children.

What the hell, have some whether you want them or not:

I know,I know,,,all "propaganda".....

Disregard anything to do with Sabra & Chatilla - after all, we know it wasn't Ariel and his boys directly did the work, purity of arms and all that.

Thursday, January 05, 2006 11:42:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

"placing a bullet in the head of each to ensure death, for the crime of being Jewish on islamic land."

And doesn't this ring familiar to the 13 year old Paelistinian girl who was shot, them fileld with an entire magazine into her (to make sure she was dead), all because she crossed into a security zone at an Israeli check point?

The soldier was later as saying that he woudl have done it had she been 3 years old.,2763,1643573,00.html

Thursday, January 05, 2006 11:57:00 am  
Blogger orang said...

Well of course he wouldn't - "we're not animals".

Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:20:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Orang that is just so much addamo. Israeli forces do not target civilians.

Why the Israeli muslim felt the need to fire his entire magazine into the body of a dead 13 year old is something for his analyst to discover.

Absolutely no equivilance to the deliberate murder, at point blank range, of a pregnant mother and her 4 small daughters.

Please show how this atrocity has been carried out by the Israeli side, and no using addamo from palestinian propaganda of unsubstantiated events from the war of independance.

The closest equivilance is the latest Iraqi suicide bombing in the middle of a funeral.

Friday, January 06, 2006 12:58:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

The killing of a 13 year old girl was not deliberate Ibraham? Would the IDF have fired at a 13 year old Israeli Jewish girl?

What diffrence doe sit make whether she was shot at 100 yards or point blank range? Are you suggesting 17 stray bullets hit the girl at once?

Friday, January 06, 2006 9:23:00 am  
Blogger orang said...

Ibrahamav said...

"Orang that is just so much addamo. Israeli forces do not target civilians."

You're being silly again. Oh, you mean when they do kill civilians it's because those terrorist devils are hiding behind them. Good one, just keep thinking happy thoughts Ib.

If you're trying to establish scale, you should probably make up categories. Is "point blank" higher or lower on the atrocious scale than say a rocket or a bomb. A separate section perhaps for children-how old?. Pregnant women - how pregnant? This is a tough category. Also, we've seen how often Palestinian women get pregnant so there'll be a blip in the statistics and should be taken into account. I mean does it matter as much when a Palestinian woman has a stillbirth at a checkpoint - she'll get pregnant again in no time.

Friday, January 06, 2006 10:28:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Civilians are killed in time of war. If you haven't noticed, the palestinians have an uprising going. That is a war. They are fighting from population centers. Attacking them means civilians will die. That's war.

Point blank to deliberately murder a pregant mother and 4 small daughters is worse than the death of a pregnant mother and her four daughters when it is caused by destroying a building where terrorists are shooting and killing people.

That's what happens in war.

There is absolutely no proof that any still births are caused by being at a check point.

Friday, January 06, 2006 3:10:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

I would not compare the Israeli/Palestinian conflict with the Iraq war. While the odds a firmly in Israel's favour, the dispute over the territories is a complexed one.

The Iraqi war on the other hand was US sanctioned barbarism.
I riased he issue fo the 56 year old Iraqi woman and the 13 year old gilr to point out to Violet that brutality against women is not the exclusive domain or Muslim men.

Friday, January 06, 2006 3:36:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Your examples were pitiful and insulting. Better that you had made your statement without reaching for a comparison.

You needed no proof to back up such an obviously true statement, that "brutality against women is not the exclusive domain o(f) Muslim men."

Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:08:00 am  

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