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Friday, September 23, 2005

Peace in our time

"Travel on the roads of Gaza, which were closed to Palestinian traffic for years, exposes the full dimensions of the physical destruction Israel left behind. A thousand words and a thousand images cannot describe it. That's not because of the weakness of words and photos, but because of the ability of most Israelis not to see and not to grasp the extent of the vineyards and groves and orchards and fields that the people's army of Israel turned into desert, the green that it painted yellow and gray, the sand turned over and the exposed land, the thorns, the weeds."

Amira Hass, Haaretz, September 22

And how do pro-Israel supporters feel about this?

"Sixty-one women have given birth at Israeli checkpoints since 2000 due to delays in getting through the checkpoints, and 36 of their babies died as a result, the United Nations said on Thursday."


Blogger anthony said...

That reminds me of a documentary I was watching, which showed a Palestinian ‘journalist’ making up stories and telling a woman who had given birth during the Jenin offensive what to tell the camera.

"Whimper, whimper- the Zionists stopped us from going to hospital, my husband had to deliver the baby at a checkpoint" - - And don’t forget to cry!

Even a PA doctor went along with the story.

Very well scripted, the journo no doubt has a future as a scriptwriter for The Bold and the Beautiful.

Friday, September 23, 2005 5:27:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Please tell me you don't believe all the story of births at checkpoints are false.
If you do...oh dear.

Friday, September 23, 2005 5:35:00 pm  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

Hey, Glenn Condell thinks the US is hiding ten thousand dead hurricane victims...somewhere. (Perhaps your mate Norm Finklestein can explain that it's impossible to get rid of that many bodies).

Meanwhile, more classy behaviour by Hamas:

Emboldened by Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza and part of the West Bank, Hamas yesterday announced its plan to turn a synagogue in Netzarim into a museum that would display weapons employed by the terrorist group’s members against Israeli civilians.

Friday, September 23, 2005 6:11:00 pm  
Blogger Andjam said...

Depends how much you trust what the UN and the PA says about Israel.

More than half the babies born dying as a result? Do the people who wrote it also believe their deaths spike just before passover? (Um, don't answer that)

Friday, September 23, 2005 8:18:00 pm  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

Anthony, can you provide a link or other reference to substantiate the quote from your documentary? Just as a courtesy. I'll then proceed to dig the dirt on it's producer and so on, ignoring its content completely. Is that ok?

Shab, Condell didn't say anything about 10,000 fatalities. You did. Have a read of the "Painting the true picture" thread again. Or do you have another link/reference/quote in mind?

Ant, I think the responses here answer your question. And how do pro-Israel supporters feel about this? They don't; they'd rather attempt to discredit or ignore any evidence contrary to their view. Simple.

Saturday, September 24, 2005 7:31:00 am  
Blogger anthony said...

It was either "the road to Jenin" or “Jenin: Massacring the truth"

I think both appeared on SBS awhile back. One was an Israeli doco the other was Canadian.

I’m sure you can find a site if you google it.

If you want to "then proceed to dig the dirt on it's producer and so on, ignoring its content completely", thats fine. Not to sound like Bon Jovi(?) but its your life.

Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:47:00 pm  
Blogger Andjam said...

"Discrediting" would assume that claiming that over half of the babies dying is credible in the first place.

Sunday, September 25, 2005 12:47:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Antony Loewenstein said...
Please tell me you don't believe all the story of births at checkpoints are false.
If you do...oh dear.

How many are false? How many actually died? Gaza has the highest birth rate on earth, or at least it did a years or so ago. With that incredible high birth rate, it certainly is possible that 10% of all women were pregnant. And with the poverty being the highest in the arab world, is there any wonder that the babies would have died regardless of where they were born?

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:24:00 am  

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