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Saturday, October 08, 2005

News bytes

- Salman Rushdie speaks in Boston and discusses writing, terrorism, India and "opinionated" women.

- Palestinian children are indoctrinated to hate Israelis and Jews? Nice myth, shame about the reality. A Jordanian blogger explains.

- From AP: "The Bush administration is spending about $7 billion a month to wage the war on terror, and costs could total $570 billion by the end of 2010, assuming troops are gradually brought home, a congressional report estimates." Freedom is damn expensive these days.

- The Melbourne Age interviews Prime Minister John Howard and manages to avoid the issue of Iraq.

- The front page of Murdoch's Australian announces, "US foiled 10 al-Qa'ida plots". At least the Sydney Morning Herald buries the claim. Nothing the Bush administration says can be taken at face value anymore.

MediaChannel.org explains why: "All of this was played straight in the press, despite all the misinformation, deception, psy-ops and inventions we have heard repeatedly about similar secrets that were soon discredited. It's familiar: the press reports every military claim as fact, with no independent assessment. What is still a secret is: Why they do that?"

24 Comments:

Blogger anthony said...

Palestinian children are indoctrinated to hate Israelis and Jews? Nice myth, shame about the reality.

Myth? Pfft.

So what about the Palestinian school books claiming the Jews were behind the holocaust in an effort to get money? What about the (public) comparisons of Jews to donkeys? The videos of Muftis calling Jews thieves and saying they must be killed- its God’s will? The UN sponsored training camps for children, indoctrinating them with the will to die for Palestine (the Hamas version of Palestine)?

Are any translations we see in the ‘mainstream media’ (or academic journals) simply part of your imaginary Zionist control of the West?

http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Truth_versus_Terror.asp

Saturday, October 08, 2005 5:15:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Using Honest Reporting is a wonderful way to justify your claims? Any idea who is behind that group?
Didn't think so...

Saturday, October 08, 2005 5:17:00 pm  
Blogger Rich Bowden said...

Honest Reporting looks like a pretty dark and dreary ole news site Ant.....so don't keep us in suspense, who is behind it?

Saturday, October 08, 2005 5:33:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Honest Reporting was started by far-right Zionists in the US and rarely acknowledges the true source of its funding. It's the kind of joke site that alleges any criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic etc. Yawn.

Saturday, October 08, 2005 5:59:00 pm  
Blogger anthony said...

... Far-right Zionists, as opposed to the link you gave? In case you didnt check, Dr. Marcy cites the Palestinian Ministry of Education and Higher Education, not exactly known for their FOI ideals.

Saturday, October 08, 2005 6:42:00 pm  
Blogger Comical_Ali said...

so can you honestly say that antisemitic incitement within the mainstream government controlled Arab media and education system does not exist?

Or, the fact that mein Kampf and the protocols of the elders of Zion are number one best sellers in the Arab world, is actually a myth?

instead of blabbering on about Honest reporting and zionist conspiracies...do you care to actually prove otherwise?

Around two months ago, I confronted you over your complete evasion over the issue of Jew-hatred within mainstream Arab society. You actually denied that you ever evaded the topic and said that you confronted and denounced this phenomenon in the Arab wolrd. Now you are saying that it doesnt exist.

Saturday, October 08, 2005 7:53:00 pm  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

That's a long bow, Ali. Slow down a bit, mate.

Saturday, October 08, 2005 8:18:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Anti-Semitic material most certainly does exist in the Arab world, to be sure, including in the Palestinian territories and media. It should be condemned and I do so now. Again.
My original point is simply that to suggest so-called indoctrination occurs in the Palestinian schooling system is far too easy (and besides, care to see the Israeli curriculum re 1948?), but that this is used to suggest all Palestinians hate Jews etc. It's false and typical of Arab bashing.

Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:01:00 am  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Anti-Semitic material most certainly does exist in the Arab world, to be sure, including in the Palestinian territories and media. It should be condemned and I do so now. Again.
My original point is simply that to suggest so-called indoctrination occurs in the Palestinian schooling system is far too easy (and besides, care to see the Israeli curriculum re 1948?), but that this is used to suggest all Palestinians hate Jews etc. It's false and typical of Arab bashing.

Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:01:00 am  
Blogger Glenn Condell said...

'I confronted you over your complete evasion over the issue of Jew-hatred within mainstream Arab society'

I'm a bit worried about Arab-hatred within mainstream Jewish society. I find it everywhere I find Jews unfortunately, just as it is difficult to avoid anti-semitism in any long conversation with Arabs in particular and Muslims in general. It seems almost genetic; I'm often shocked by frankly racist asides from members of both groups.

Do you deny Jewish racism toward Arabs exists? Are you willing to 'confront' it? I know one Jew who is- you are a guest on his blog. So no evasion of the topic please. One good turn deserves another.

Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:18:00 am  
Blogger Comical_Ali said...

"It should be condemned and I do so now. Again."

great timing.

YOu say that it should be condemmned... "but"...

I would like you to show me the Israeli curriculium. Actually devote an entire topic to it on your blog. I would also like to do a piece on the mainstream Israeli press and how Rabbis and political leaders come on Israeli government TV and radio to declare that "Arabs are the sons of pigs and monkeys" as Jews are so commonly presented in the Palestinian Authority.

the "but" factor isnt really going to help unless you back empty rhetoric (thrown around for your own convienance) with hard facts.

Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:20:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Perhaps you should write about it on your blog. Oh wait a minute, that would actually take some effort on your part...

Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:21:00 pm  
Blogger Comical_Ali said...

"Do you deny Jewish racism toward Arabs exists? Are you willing to 'confront' it? I know one Jew who is- you are a guest on his blog. So no evasion of the topic please. One good turn deserves another."

Racism exists everywhere.
As an insider -- I can confidently tell you that overall Jews are an incredibly tolerant people. Israelis, given the current situation and the current threats they face, treat their fellow Arab citizens well. For one they dont feel a need to ban head scarfs like they do in France (where they dont face any threats from muslims). Just one example out of a million.

yes racism and prejudice exists (as in all societies) -- but nowehere is it on the same level or scale as in Arab soceity. The two cannot even be compared.


believe it or not -- you can simply laugh it off...it dont really phase me. Particularly when the person concerened is a bogus conspiracy theorist who let slip his own downright intolerance and bigotry. The last thing we need is a lecture from such a person on "confronting intolerance..."


in general the inability to confront the downright overt Nazi style racism within mainstream Arab society or compare it to Jewish society (and say the two are the same) is downright dishonest.

Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:40:00 pm  
Blogger Comical_Ali said...

another classic Lowenstein moment.

you are the big author Ant with the MUP publishing contract, not me - so we would all have to rely on you. For a published "expert" on the Middle East, it might porve to a good idea to back empty rhetoric with well researched facts. Its something along the lines of "accountability".

Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:45:00 pm  
Blogger Comical_Ali said...

"I'm a bit worried about Arab-hatred within mainstream Jewish society. I find it everywhere I find Jews unfortunately, just as it is difficult to avoid anti-semitism in any long conversation with Arabs in particular and Muslims in general"

Ok, Ok, I'll make it easier for you all by shifting the focus to the respective Jewish and Muslim communities in Australia.

The head of the prime representative body of the Australian muslim community - "The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils" (who also happens to be the Mufti of Australia), once made a speech calling the Jews the "underlying cause of all wars" "who tried to control the world through sexual perversion, espionage and economic hoarding".

The "moderate" Islamic council has made no effort to remove him as their head -- he continues to represent Australia's 300,000 muslim community. He himself has never retratced his very public comments nor made no offer of an apology. This is a guy who also called 9/11 "G-ds work."

If indeed you are worried about "Arab hatred within mainstream Jewish society" like you are about "Jew-hatred in Arab society" (or better still probably claim that either the former is worse than the latter or the latter does not exist at all) then I challange you to find me a similair public or even private statement made by a leader or representative of the Jewish community in Australia which demonises Arabs/Muslims or any other minority group.

Hell you can even employ your creative writing skills and make one up. Just make sure u back up your empty useless rhetoric with hard fact that will
match the reality on the ground.

Sunday, October 09, 2005 3:28:00 pm  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

Three consecutive posts, Comical? Are you talking to yourself? Might be time for your own blog, hey?

Sunday, October 09, 2005 5:16:00 pm  
Blogger Comical_Ali said...

If anything its to a brick wall.

I can just picture the likes of Condell googling away "Australian Jewish leaders"/"hatespeech"


just make one up and save yourself the trouble damn it

Monday, October 10, 2005 9:37:00 am  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

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Monday, October 10, 2005 12:59:00 pm  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

This is no longer comical, Ali. I think you may be disturbed.

Do you have a job? Do your parents know where you are?

Monday, October 10, 2005 1:02:00 pm  
Blogger Comical_Ali said...

"Might be time for your own blog, hey?" "I think you may be disturbed."

great response and debating techniques (again).

Ok I have to throw in the towl and concede that hatred/racism towards Arab/muslims is really that bad within mianstream Jewish society. You really got me now.

Monday, October 10, 2005 2:31:00 pm  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

You've made your point, Comical. How long do you intend to keep posting the same argument? Just give it a rest, mate, and you won't be laughed at so often

Monday, October 10, 2005 6:58:00 pm  
Blogger Comical_Ali said...

the sad thing is, I already laughed myself off this blog.

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:48:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

OK gentlemen,

Getting back to one of the topics of this blog, I read this very intersting analysis of the so called Al Qaeda fooiled plots mentioned in Bush's moronic speech the other day.

It makes a complete mockery of each and every case.

Bush on Terror Plots: More Numbers that Don’t Add Up
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/bush-on-terror-plots-mor_b_8522.html

What I find so incedible sleezy and distastefull thoug is the refrence to Jose Padilla. Here was a man accused for plotting to set off a ditry bomb in the US, based onteh accusations of a compltetely unrealiable course and who has subsequently been incaeratd and tortured for 3 years.

Ech time his name was raised, no one in teh Bush adminsitratioon was able to give a coherent explanation. Every time Donald Rumsfled was asked, he woudl get tongue tied. And all of a sudden, they roll his case out as part fo some hugely succeful example of how the US foiled a dangreous terror plot.

I persnally cannto find the words to register the utter disgusting and distateful esploitation of a human being by the White House.

The one copsolation, is that it shows how utterly desperate the Bush leadership has become.

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:03:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Padilla has been tortured for the last three years? Care to prove it?

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 1:38:00 am  

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