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Monday, November 07, 2005

Broken dreams

Amira Hass, Haaretz, November 4:

"For Palestinians, Yitzhak Rabin is remembered first of all as someone who instructed soldiers to break their arms and legs, when they began their popular uprising against the Israeli occupation in 1987.

"Before the handshake on the White House lawn, before the Nobel Prize and before the murder, when Palestinians were asked about Rabin, this is what they remember: One thinks of his hands, scarred by soldiers' beatings; another remembers a friend who flitted between life and death in the hospital for 12 days, after he was beaten by soldiers who caught him drawing a slogan on a wall during a curfew. Yet another remembers the Al-Amari refugee camp; during the first intifada, all its young men were hopping on crutches or were in casts because they had thrown stones at soldiers, who in turn chased after them and carried out Rabin's order."

While the Western media portrays the murdered Rabin as the last Israeli leader dedicated to "peace", the Palestinians know the truth and the world should open its eyes.


Blogger Shabadoo said...

Anty, what do you think soldiers should do when people throw stones at them? These idiots got what they had coming to them.

Monday, November 07, 2005 12:32:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

You're right. Stone throwers should be shot, killed and quartered and even that's too good for them.
Soldiers should break their arms and legs? They deserve it. After all, they're Palestinian and all potential terrorists.

Monday, November 07, 2005 12:44:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Yeah, think of those poor soldiers sitting inside their Abrahms tanks, having to listen to the faint clunk of stones hitting the freshly painited duco.

The Palestinians have no respect.

Monday, November 07, 2005 12:54:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

They really must get out of their tanks, take the Palestinians, and crush all their bones. What else do they really expect?

Monday, November 07, 2005 1:00:00 pm  
Blogger Savvas Tzionis said...

Interesting post.

It reminds me of when Bolt had a go at Howard for not being right wing enough. In fact, I think he called him a centrist!!!

Whilst the media portray Rabin as a leftist peacemaker, you have labelled him, more or less, a criminal.

Monday, November 07, 2005 1:08:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Funny how the vast majority of what passes for leadership in the palestinian region has the blood of palestinians as well as jews still fresh in their teeth and this is your major complaint?


Tuesday, November 08, 2005 12:42:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Please Ibrahamav, follow Human's advice and get some psychiatric help immediately.

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:00:00 am  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

You know, the Syrians got the Lebanese out without stone-chucking or suicide-bombing; ditto the Indians with the English...has anyone on the Palestinian side ever stopped to think that maybe their tactics are, quite literally as Anty's post indicates, self-defeating?

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:09:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Not only are they self defeating, they lead idiots like Eddie and inhuman to think they should throw them with impunity.

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:29:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
"Not only are they self defeating, they lead idiots like Eddie and inhuman to think they should throw them with impunity."

Au contraire, little one. All suicide bombers should be brought to justice ... well, there's not much to do about that one, but murdering their families as the 'next best thing' is a petty and demended act of only the most primative and barbaric societies. As for organisers, they should be throught to justice too. They should have charges brought against them, be arrested, be tried in a court of law subject to all the usual rules of evidence and proper judicial procedures, and then if found guilt on the evidence, should be punished as per the law of the land. That's was civilised countries do. Do you think Israel's current policy of "extra-judicial" murders without trial, without a testing of the evidence, without proper judicial overview, is civilised? A civilised person would say "No."

Aside: I do think the suicide bombing is completely futile, however; they only effect it has is to give the Israeli Attack Force another excuse to do some more target practice.

I kust think it is understandable. Imagine Indonesia occupying New Zealand to protect itself from Insurgents, said that it would leave as soon as everything calmed down, and then slowly but surely started to divert resources to itself and to build Indonesian settlements. I wonder how long it would be before a faction of New Zealanders looked to armed resistence as the solution. And how long it would be before an even more desperate faction looked to suicide terrorism. About ten years, say? Hmmm - how many years of occupation did the Palestinians endure before the first Intifada was decleared? I think it was a bit longer than that.

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:18:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...



Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:19:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Killing murderers before they murder again, when it is impossible to arrest them (as there is actually a war going on there) seems legal to me.

If you will recall, many want Marwan Barghouti free because they believe Israel has no jurisdiction. But you can't demand the stop of justifiable defense of the destruction of palestinian murderers as you protest their arrest and conviction.

As there is absolutely no comparison between your NZ example and the Palestinian terrorist organization, your justification ideal falls flat.

The Palestinians endured 19 years of brutal Egyptian occupation. To relieve it, they went out and killed Jews. Another ideal of yours falls flat.

Care to try a third?

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 4:10:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
"Killing murderers before they murder again, when it is impossible to arrest them (as there is actually a war going on there) seems legal to me."

So you and the world's worst dictators are on the same wave-length. I'm shocked.

And in case you haven't noticed. It's not impossible to arrest them. It's not impossible for the IDF to rock up, and spend a good deal of time bulldozing houses. It's not exactly difficult to rock up and grab a suspect. It's not as if they have to search for them or anything like that. After all, according to the IDF itself, it currently only sends rockets into houses that have the suspected terrorists in them. They must know where they are. Unless....they DON'T know and they're just murdering bunches of people on the off chance that they might get the one's they "really" want. No matter which way it gets twisted, the IDF is engaging in crimes against humanity; they know it; Amnesty knows it; the Red Cross knows it; the UN Special Commission knows it; the Palestinians certainly know it. They also know it has been happening for a very long time; and they also know that no matter how much international condemnation there is, no matter how much political footsie-playing occurs, they are stuck with it. Sustained hopelessness sends makes people desperate; sustained desperation sends people insane in their search for a way out of a seemingly impossible trap.

"As there is absolutely no comparison between your NZ example and the Palestinian terrorist organization


Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:52:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Very well argued Ed.

After all the tears and pain we witnessed during the withdral from Gazaa, it turns out the Isaeli's never left after all.

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:29:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Addamo_01, yes, it boarders on unbelievable. Since the illegal settlers have left, Gazan Palestinians are now just



for the IDF.

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:33:00 am  

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