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Tuesday, November 08, 2005

Joining the crooked line

The New Yorker has been at the forefront of investigating Bush administration excesses since 9/11. Seymour Hersh is their leading light but Jane Mayer should also step forward. In this week's edition, she outlines the death of an inmate at Abu Ghraib and the ability of the government to both sanction and encourage the use of torture to extract information. International law was ignored. No rules applied. Accountability was non-existent.

America and its allies, including Australia, are about to suffer a horrendous case of "blowback." We will certainly know why.

While Australians are told that recent arrests disrupted an imminent terrorist attack, the Australian government simply cannot be believed on national security matters. Foreign affairs matters are off the agenda. Muslim extremists are "evil" for no apparent reason. Iraq is irrelevant to the current problems.

We will look back on these times in years to come and wonder how hysteria was so effectively created.

28 Comments:

Blogger amortiser said...

You said:
"Muslim extremists are "evil" for no apparent reason".

Really

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:07:00 pm  
Blogger Comical_Ali said...

on the contrary - they are a warm and fuzzy bunch

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:45:00 pm  
Blogger smiths said...

evil is such an unweildy word dont you think,
muslim extremists are problematic in the same way christian extremists and spoon bending extremists are,
aside from that it really hit me last night whilst watching a doco on gouldburn supermax jail what it is that keeps john howard awake at night, the terror that causes him to blurt things out about threats so awful he cant articulate them,
'aborigonal muslims', rumours in the jails of conversions for 'the wrong reasons'.
make no mistake, he's heard about it, and he is pissing his pants, a cyclonic force gathering up everything he feels guilty, ashamed, ignorant and scared of

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 3:19:00 pm  
Blogger kristan said...

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Tuesday, November 08, 2005 3:59:00 pm  
Blogger Anna Anna Na Al Overmine said...

the Australian government simply cannot be believed on national security matters

Yeah neither can we trust Bracks nor Iemma, nor Beasley, nor Nixon nor Moroney. The only one we can trust is some blowhard blogger called Loewenstein. Get real.

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 4:00:00 pm  
Blogger kristan said...

"We will look back on these times in years to come and wonder how hysteria was so effectively created."

Perhaps it has been created by planes magically flying into buildings, or random tourist hotels exploding, or by active and illegal WMD development programs over the better part of a decade.

Or just a bunch of evidently power-hungry neo-cons who falsely stirred up a kerfuffle to.. do what precisely? Unless you're terminally gullible, the self-interest argument doesn't work too well bud.

Incidentally, it requires a modicum of evidence to argue against the claim that your government just broke up a serious terrorist threat, given that they have evidence to their effect and you are merely pissed off...

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 4:03:00 pm  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

This post makes no sense. On the one hand, you say that we're due to suffer "blowback", and on the other, you imply that the terror plot busted up today was just for show. Which is it? Are Muslim extremists not "evil"; do you think we should open up talks with Al Qaeda, JI, etc? Do we deserve what we get?

Also, France was completely and actively against the Iraq war, gives money to Hamas, etc, and now they've got the Francifada on their hands. Yes, they've mismanged their immigration since, oh, forever, BUT tell me that their position of cultural weakness has nothing to do with what's going on?

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 4:16:00 pm  
Blogger anthony said...

Yeah right Loewenstein. Everyone's guilty but the oppressed Muslim terrorists born in Australia. We'll see after their court cases, if they dont hang themselves before then.

"hysteria" ? They only hysteria I saw happened outside the court house.

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:08:00 pm  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

And of course what was that fellow doing going to prayers with a bloody gun? I thought those things were illegal, anyway...

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:19:00 pm  
Blogger smiths said...

you lot really do amuse me,
active and illegal WMD development programs over the better part of a decade. who? saddam hussein, ha ha ha
the self-interest argument doesn't work too well bud. are you f**kin kiddng me, have a look at the companies these guys are involved with, they are rakin it in, war is a racket and theres few rackets so flimsily disguised as this current one
their position of cultural weakness has nothing to do with what's going on?, what the? cultural weakness.
the french thought that the war was a phoney, they were right. the french thought the 'intelligence' was made up, they were right. the french thought the american plan was woefully ignorant to the complexities of the country and the region, they were right.
is this the cultural weakness you are talking about?

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:41:00 pm  
Blogger Dave S. said...

Anthony sez:

"Muslim extremists are "evil" for no apparent reason"

Maybe they're "evil" because they commit mass "murder" and "saw" people's "heads" off. Just a "guess".

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:50:00 pm  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

the french government was being paid off by saddam on one hand and terrified of pissing off their unintegrated muslim population on the other. and part of the reason why the muslims never integrated was because they never said, 'welcome to france, now here are the rules'. instead they just tried to declare everyone french by fiat. simple as that.

as an interesting bit of diplomatic history, the french probably could have forestalled the war by continuing the resolutions game, but once they declared there was no way they would vote for war, the americans took their ball...and ran it across the line into baghdad.

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 6:05:00 pm  
Blogger Gibbo said...

Smiths says: "'aborigonal muslims', rumours in the jails of conversions for 'the wrong reasons'.
make no mistake, he's heard about it, and he is pissing his pants, a cyclonic force gathering up"


That is just about the funniest thing I've read for ages. My kids are looking at me strange for laughing at the computer! You're kidding right?

I like this blog much better since you all stopped trying to be serious & decided to stick with the comedy.

Thanks Ant, you have a better class of stupid here.

Cyclonic force hahahahaha!

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 6:38:00 pm  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

There is an echo in here. If you listen closely you can hear Tim Blair. (Or is that in fact an echo of LGF and Steyn...)

Very impressive, fellas.

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 6:57:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Doesn't take much to set the apes off, does it?
Furious agreement with the 'master' requires tact, skill and guts.

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 7:02:00 pm  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

Dirt, Ant, there've been some real points raised as to logic and substance viz. this post...but I guess it's just easier to rip on your critics than engage them.

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 7:06:00 pm  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

...or ban them?

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 7:20:00 pm  
Blogger Gibbo said...

If you don't want people laughing then don't write such funny stuff.

I'm still giggling about that cyclonic uprising of Aboriginal Muslims.

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 7:32:00 pm  
Blogger Gibbo said...

By the way, looking at the lack of life in this blog you should think yourself lucky that Tim sends over a few readers.

Apart from your faithful sidekick Cato... er, DirtBikeBoy, there doesn't seem to be much interest here.

Got your pen license yet DirtBoy or is it shoelaces this week? Ask Ant, he'll let you know what to say.

Cyclonic uprising hahahahahaha.

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 7:38:00 pm  
Blogger smiths said...

gibbo, the conversions in australian jails are true,
the tying it to john howards fears was a joke, 'cyclonic' was comic hyperbolic,
but really i am glad you are laughing,
with the current state of things in this country i love theres only laughter and crying

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 7:43:00 pm  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

Gibbo, again you seem infatuated with my supposed youth. What the fuck is that all about? Seems like you're clutching at straws, mate. And as for lack of life on a blog, where are your rock n roll war stories, ya silly old coot?

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 7:45:00 pm  
Blogger Gibbo said...

Smiths, I know it was a joke & that's why it's funny.
Exactly what is it that all fifteen of these jail-bird Aboriginal Muslims are going to do that has poor little Johnny in such a "pants pissing" flap?

Jeez, I hope Bubba's willy is Halal!

DirtBoy, c'mon, everyone knows the only people with LiveJournal sites are depressed teenagers, usually girls. If you are not really the silly youth that your comments suggest, then you need to start getting out more.

My rock'n roll stories are exactly where I left them. Why, where do you think they are?

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:03:00 pm  
Blogger dusty_buster said...

This is just more 'chickens coming home to roost'.
Australia's involvement in Iraq has enraged the Arab Street and we're paying the price.
To make matters worse, Prime Mincer hoWARd has enacted laws that will effectively ban citizens from speaking out against the Government.
The latest arrests of 'Muslims' for 'so called' 'acts' of 'terror' only proves this point.
These innocent men are NOT 'terrorists', they are activists and spokesmen in a fight against the hoWARd junta.

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:21:00 pm  
Blogger Gibbo said...

So what has fired up the Musies in France then Sean?

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:23:00 pm  
Blogger Comical_Ali said...

"Doesn't take much to set the apes off, does it?"

Only one incredibly stupid line.

You know in hindsight Lowy, I think I severely underestimated your intelligence. In fact, now I think you to be a very clever and crafty fellow. All that stupidity (the highlight of which was that Leak Cartoon) after all is just an act to gain attention to yourself, your book and in the process revive your dying blog. I think I just uncovered an ulterior motive here...and its certainly working, I'm hooked and loving it! To be honest, I want to stop coming here and commenting…but every time I seriously contemplate that, you post or saying something else that is hilariously dumb.

Please stop with your ulterior motives.

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:29:00 pm  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

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Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:24:00 pm  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

Gibbo, I should have asked how much life there was on your war stories blog. I was contrasting your comments about Loewenstein's traffic with your own efforts. I'll be clearer next time. (And again will note that traffic - or "life" on a blog - is only important when it suits your argument. Conveniently.)

I am unaware of whatever it is that rightist blog commenters say about livejournal, and couldn't care either way. Its functionality shits all over other systems I've tried, and suits my unambitious purposes very well. What that has to do with the validity of any views I may present here or elsewhere is beyond me. Ad hominem, I believe. The usual. And you are telling me to grow up and get out more? I see.

You know, it's amusing that you actually believe anything you may have to say will effect anyone who is unfortunate enough to read it. No wonder the kids laugh at you, you silly bastard.

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:27:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

broken annointing said...
"wonder how hysteria was so effectively created."

Perhaps it has been created by planes magically flying into buildings, or random tourist hotels exploding, or by active and illegal WMD development programs over the better part of a decade.


You're right. There is nothing that sticks in "The West's" memory better than white people being killed by black people. It is certainly the most hysterically disturbing development in the history of all Truly Human Kind.

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:27:00 pm  

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