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Friday, December 23, 2005

Democracy for all

Sometimes, even the New York Times talks sense:

"The messy thing about democracy is that people tend to vote for the candidates they want - a point that seemed lost on Israel yesterday when it threatened to ban Palestinians in East Jerusalem from voting in the scheduled Palestinian elections if Hamas took part."

Hamas and other Palestinian factions are calling on Mahmoud Abbas to avoid further delays to the January 25 parliamentary poll.

The Palestinians have the right to a free, open and unimpeded vote. If Israel decides to block this right, the world will make the appropriate conclusions.

29 Comments:

Blogger Wombat said...

It seems that European leaders at least, are in agreement with Israel.

Friday, December 23, 2005 11:26:00 am  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Sadly, the EU and Europe are often no more honest in their dealings than the US. If thee Palestinians elections are not free, fair and open, the world is essentially saying that Israel has the right to dictate who wins.

Friday, December 23, 2005 11:35:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Let the Palestinians elect hamas. Then let Israel destroy them after the first attack. Let's be fair about it.

Friday, December 23, 2005 1:39:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

The EU are quite logical. They know that with a Hamas victory any financial support they give to the Pali's is going to be stolen or blown up by The Israelis. Pre-empting the Israeli passion for destroying everything in the search for peace will save money and effort.

Friday, December 23, 2005 3:32:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
Let the Palestinians elect hamas. Then let Israel destroy them after the first attack.

More calls for genocide. Can't stand the fact that you've been shown up by Neonazichick, hey Ibrahamav?

Friday, December 23, 2005 4:10:00 pm  
Blogger Clumsy Birds said...

The Palestinians have the right to a free, open and unimpeded vote. If Israel decides to block this right, the world will make the appropriate conclusions.

That right does not include allowing candidates from Hamas:

The nomination of any candidates, parties or coalitions will be refused, and such nomination or registration once made will be canceled [sic], if such candidates, parties or coalitions:
commit or advocate racism; or
pursue the implementation of their aims by unlawful or non- democratic means.


… and from the Hamas Charter:

Article Thirteen: Peaceful Solutions, [Peace] Initiatives and International Conferences
[Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement […] the movement educates its members to adhere to its principles and to raise the banner of Allah over their homeland as they fight their Jihad […] There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.

[Article Fifteen: We must spread the spirit of Jihad among the [Islamic] Umma, clash with the enemies and join the ranks of the Jihad fighters. The ‘ulama as well as educators and teachers, publicity and media men as well as the masses of the educated, and especially the youth and the elders of the Islamic Movements, must participate in this raising of consciousness. […] I swear by that who holds in His Hands the Soul of Muhammad! I indeed wish to go to war for the sake of Allah! I will assault and kill, assault and kill, assault and kill (told by Bukhari and Muslim).

Article twenty-eight: Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims.


Jihad in this case clearly does not refer to an internal, spiritual struggle, but 'unlawful' and 'non- democratic means'.

Friday, December 23, 2005 5:49:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

That seals it then, it is illegal for Hamas to run. Beautiful-another 40 years of fuking with the Palis..Kacing!!

(You had something to do with the drafting of that UN document which was "Israel should pull out of all territories captured by war , to Israel should pull out of territories......" AHA... not "all"...beautiful..)

Friday, December 23, 2005 6:09:00 pm  
Blogger Danny Yee said...

Aren't there Israeli parties whose platform calls for the integration of the entire West Bank into Israel and the "transfer" of the Palestinian population? Should they be banned from standing candidates for the Knesset?

Friday, December 23, 2005 6:24:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

Stick around danny yee, I need help...

Friday, December 23, 2005 6:36:00 pm  
Blogger Clumsy Birds said...

Sure, Danny. Why not? Anyone planning on using terrorism, or has already used it, to achieve such an aim should be prevented from running in Israeli elections. Although there is a notable difference between Israeli parties advocating annexing the West Bank and wanting harder policies on Palestinian terrorists, and Hamas- which has a track record of murdering Israeli Jews, and continues to plan future murders, assorted crimes, and the odd tea party to entertain journo’s from the BBC.

Yes, Orange, you need help. I'm a *RWDB* (heh) troll sent from the future to target you. When I'm done here I'm off to kill John Conner.

Friday, December 23, 2005 8:27:00 pm  
Blogger Clumsy Birds said...

(with poor web skills... cut the WWW)

Friday, December 23, 2005 8:30:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

I find it quicker to just copy & paste

http://www.wmub.org/feedback/2005/07/anniversary-of-king-david-hotel.html

Friday, December 23, 2005 8:46:00 pm  
Blogger Clumsy Birds said...

(I’m assuming you’re not ignoring me in this thread as well, Orange- you potty mouth, you…)

If you read it as well as copying + pasting the link, you would have noticed the very things Honest Reporting pointed out:

(http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Star_Tribune_Discovers_Terror.asp)

If you want, though, I'll condemn Zionist terrorism for you- just don’t use the 'C' word in another of your rants.

Friday, December 23, 2005 10:34:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Funny how eddie believes a defensive war against the palestinians is a call for genocide. How much more can eddie make his antisemitism plain?

They have a spot waiting for you in the halls of the IHR eddie.

Saturday, December 24, 2005 1:22:00 am  
Blogger orang said...

Stewie said...

"Sure, Danny. Why not? Anyone planning on using terrorism, or has already used it, to achieve such an aim should be prevented from running in Israeli elections."

Then was shown clear evidence that Israel's founders, their eventual leaders, themselves used terrorism. (and given an example of the King David Hotel bombing) This has not prevented them or their organisations from participating in politics and we are told are peace loving folks now.

Surely if it can happen with the Irgun it could also happen with Hamas if they were accepted into the mainstream - after all they are getting the support of the population.

Instead Stweie responds by showing us an article from an Israeli propaganda site "Honest"Reporting which complains that a certain newspaper doesn't call Palestinian Terrorists, Terrorists. Unfair. Boo.

Saturday, December 24, 2005 6:19:00 am  
Blogger orang said...

Ibrahamav said...

"Funny how eddie believes a defensive war against the palestinians is a call for genocide. How much more can eddie make his antisemitism plain?"

What remarkable insight. I'll bet on the day when the Arabs are driving the Jews into the sea, guess who'se going to be on the lead camel, ahead of Hamas & Ashrawi - eddie!

Saturday, December 24, 2005 6:27:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Speaking of terrorrism, anybody get an eyeful of Osama's niece. Hubba bubba!! Uncle Osama would not approve:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/people/meet-osamas-niece/2005/12/23/1135032164860.html

Saturday, December 24, 2005 8:06:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

eddie a little to cowardly to do his own fighting. He'll be on the last camel. Addamo will have it head up inside it.

Saturday, December 24, 2005 11:32:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
Funny how eddie believes a defensive war against the palestinians is a call for genocide.

Let's just recall what Ibrahamav said and not forget it: "Then let Israel destroy them after the first attack." That's a call for genocide. Ibrahamav is an advocate of genocide. He believes in mass exterminations on men, women and children based on ethnicity. Nothing more needs to be said about Ibrahamav's moral "credibility" on any topic - least of all the Palestine Tragedy.

If we're going to go with stewie and start worrying about "language", let's concern outselves not with the superficialities of swear-words but with the disturbing psychopathic words spewing from the mouths of moral degenerates such as Ibrahamav and Neonazichick.

Saturday, December 24, 2005 7:35:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

orang said...
I'll bet on the day when the Arabs are driving the Jews into the sea, guess who'se going to be on the lead camel, ahead of Hamas & Ashrawi - eddie!

Ibrahamav said...
eddie...[would] be on the last camel. Addamo will have it head up inside.

I've never even seen a camel, let alone ridden one.

The way Ibrahamav talks however, makes me think many a camel has ridden him.

Sorry. Uncalled for potty-mouthedness.

Saturday, December 24, 2005 7:43:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

You can't help being an ass. We all feel sorry for you.

The call to wipe out the arabs on earth is the call for genocide.

The call to destroy thre Palestinian ability to cause war is not. But as an antisemite, you'll claim it is.

Sunday, December 25, 2005 12:34:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
You can't help being an ass.
Why do you like arses so much Ibby?

We all feel sorry for you.
And why do you keep referring to the royal "we". Can't yet that polytheism out of your head?

The call to wipe out the arabs on earth is the call for genocide.
These days it refers to ethnicity. Haven't you heard? Science did away with the concept of race yonks ago. Anyway, Palestinian ethnicity I hear you say? Yes, part of their cultural identity now is occupation. You called for the destruction of this troublesome ethnic group. You call for genocide.

The call to destroy thre Palestinian ability to cause war is not.
And tell me: what is involved in destroying their "ability to cause war"? (Shouldn't that we "wage war" - no matter.) No, no - let me guess: whatever it takes, right?

Sunday, December 25, 2005 1:26:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Just keep guessing, that way you're not a total fool.

Sunday, December 25, 2005 11:41:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
Just keep guessing, that way you're not a total fool.

Captain Coward, ever the gutless wonder, strikes again.

Monday, December 26, 2005 3:57:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Yes, you have struck again.

Monday, December 26, 2005 6:32:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

One more chance Ibrahamav to save a shread of what I'll laughingly refer to as your "honour":

What is involved in destroying "the Palestinian ability to cause war"?

Presumably it must at least involve the utter destruction of all physical infrastructure: roads, houses, shops and the like. Is there more to it than that, or is this enough in your expert opinion, General Ibby?

Monday, December 26, 2005 5:48:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Who cares what an antisemite refers to as honor?

Who cares what an antisemite presumes?

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:15:00 am  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

I fully support the right of Israel to walk loudly and carry HUGE bombs in its own backyard. The Jews are extremely smart. They win Nobel Prizes galore. Schelling won his for his insights into game theory.

At the first sign of any Towlie Terrorist Hamas child-molesting malarky, we should all applaud the Israelis if they retaliate immediately by bombing them so devastatingly that they will never say "boo" again.

I am SO over my television being polluted night after night with this Islamist nonsense. Enough already! I say "no more Mr.and Ms. Nice Jew!"

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 9:03:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Israel instituting a no breathing zone in Gaza is a step in the right direction.

Thursday, December 29, 2005 3:12:00 am  

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