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Sunday, December 11, 2005

Misinformation rules

The US military, industrial complex believes in propaganda, and not always the transparent kind:

"Hoping to counter anti-American sentiment in the Muslim world, the Bush administration has been conducting an information war that is extensive, costly and often hidden, according to documents and interviews with contractors, government officials and military personnel."

All governments engage in propaganda - though the desperation of the US to increase its support is telling - but if the US administration wants to truly counter anti-American sentiment in the Muslim world, ending persistent meddling and looting would be a good start.


Blogger Ibrahamav said...

As misinformation is your forte, why are complaining about others?

Monday, December 12, 2005 5:37:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

It's nto surprise that you are unable to distinguish between opinion and state sponsored dissimforation.

Monday, December 12, 2005 8:18:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

I am unable to distinguish beteen AL's campaign of lies and deception, and any other entities', no matter how large or small.

It should be no suprise. It is also no surprise that you think as you do.

Monday, December 12, 2005 12:55:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

State sponsored disinformation is carried using tax dollars and other government apparatus. It prestends to speak for the public and for the public good. It discourages and disseent and marginalises debate.

Anthony is giving his opinion, and by this forum, invites open debate. He does not pretend to speak for others.

If you can't discern the difference between these two issues, then you are either a lot less intelligent than I gave you credit for, or you are intentinally refusing to aknowledge the obvious.

Tuesday, December 13, 2005 1:58:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Always about money with your type, isn't it?

Spreading disinformation is the same, regardless of who spreads it.

You are the least qualified here to judge another's intelligence.

Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:28:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

About money? When it's somebosy else's? Absolutely. Tax payers pay for services and governance, not to finance the protection of innept leadership.

You are being deliberately belligerent about this Ibraham.

There is no equivalence whatsoever between the actions of the individual to express his views, which is his right, and that of the state to mislead the public in matters it's knows to be false.

Tuesday, December 13, 2005 4:45:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

There is a tremendous equivilance when you realize that the government of democracies are made up of people.

Tuesday, December 13, 2005 6:59:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Not when you realise that the governments of most coutries reserve the right to kill people, while that option is never avalable to the individual.

On the individual level, democracy or no democracy, those in power rarely operate by the rules imposed on the individual. Individuals lose their jobs when they are found to be incompetent. By introducing the concept of failing upwards, Bush's goverment rewards incompetence. GHuys like Cheney, Dealy and Frist continue to operate companies or receive lucrative deferments from private conpanies, while holding office.

In Washginton, the notion of conflict of interets, corruption and cronyism has been stripped of meaning. It's become the stuff of thrid world governments.

So when you seriously look at governments, any notion of equivalence is a myth.

Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:22:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

So the right to kill is a deal breaker with you? I have the right to kill if you physically attack me.

You don't have that right? I pity you.

Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:05:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Apparently not Ibraham.

In most Western countries, if you kill someone who attacks you, you would more than likely, end up being charged for illegally carrying a deadly weapon.

If someone breaks into your home, your only legal option is to ring the police.

Anyway, examples aside, what you have failed to realise is that you have broken the number 1 rule for right wing argument - aknowledgment of moral euqivalence. Aren't you guys supposed to dismiss it as miguided left ideology?

Silly you, you fell for your own trap.

Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:39:00 am  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

Does anybody knows when, if at all, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon are going to open their archives so we can all find out what they were up to between 1940 and 1975?

Tuesday, December 13, 2005 1:09:00 pm  

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