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Tuesday, December 27, 2005

News bytes

- Yet more evidence that Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe is bankrupt and unable to house its many displaced citizens.

- Australia's richest man, Kerry Packer, has died. Will the country's media landscape change in 2006 as a result of this news?

- The Jerusalem Post reports:

"Some 5,700 emigrants have returned to live in Israel in 2005, according to the Ministry of Immigrant Absorption. This figure represents a significant jump from the 5,000 returning citizens in 2004, and eclipses the 3,052 new immigrants from North America this year."

Many Jews clearly believe that the Jewish state is the best place to raise their families. I wonder how many of these Jews will live on occupied West Bank land.

- Josh Marshall examines John Yoo, the key lawyer involved in drafting Justice Department memos that gave George Bush almost unparalleled powers to do as he wished in the "war on terror."

- The Bush administration increases pressure on the mainstream media to not publish articles that could threaten "national security." Publish and be damned. For the US government - experts at spin and outright lies - to caution the press is a joke and should be treated with contempt. Sadly, we've already seen evidence of the cowered media in action.

55 Comments:

Blogger Ibrahamav said...

You mean the "disputed" territories, didn't you? We wouldn't want our predjudices to get in the way of legalities, now would we?

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 5:44:00 am  
Blogger orang said...

Dispute? There is no dispute, God gave all of it to the chosen ones.

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 6:21:00 am  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

orang

They didn't need god. They won it fair and square through superior intelligence, industry, diplomatic pinache and the ability to bitchslap the hundreds of millions of teeming nutjobs that surround them! Said nutjobs should drop the whingeing shtick and start trying to learn from the Jews1

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 8:49:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

"diplomatic pinache" Lefty? Doesn't panache imply some degree of flair and elegance? Yes the Israelis diplomatic machinery is very effective, but to say it has panache is like would be like describing Alan Joes as a tree hugging liberal.

You should give credit to Israel's big brother, who apart from being rather brain dead, has a habbit of bending over and letting little brother pick his wallet.

The same week that the US slashed US$39 billion to social services, Congress approved another $600 million aid for Israel.

I guess that even when you have superior intelligence, industry, diplomatic pinache and the ability to bitchslap the hundreds of millions, it never hurts to be the biggest welfare recipient on the planet.

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 9:07:00 am  
Blogger orang said...

neoleftychick said...

"orang

They didn't need god. They won it fair and square through superior intelligence, industry, diplomatic pinache and the ability to bitchslap the hundreds of millions of teeming nutjobs that surround them! Said nutjobs should drop the whingeing shtick and start trying to learn from the Jews1 "

Well you may be right. I feel violated!! All my life I was told that these poor people were led by Paul Neuman to their Promised Land, all they wanted was peace and somewhere to make the desert bloom , nobility of arms,..etc. and NOW I'm told they were conniving warmongering motherfuckers. What a gyp! And what's more there is no Santa!

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 9:36:00 am  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

addamo

And you don't think that being able to negotiate that $600 million is an example of diplomatic pinache!?

How much do the useless Egyptians and Jordanians get? What's their per capita GDP again? How man Nobel Prizes have they won lately? How are their women and gays treated again?

Has any "Palestinian" person ever worked a day in their life? Or are they STILL on the UNWRA rort? Have they picked out a mentally-handicapped boy for a matyrdom gig this week? What about a "dishonourable" woman whose only choice is the TNT boogie or being slaughterd by her father/brothers/husband?

I've got all day, so keep the good news about Muslims rolling!

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:09:00 am  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

Neoleftychick, will you have the courage of your convictions in 2006 and put your name to your own blog? You have a lot to say, and seem to enjoy the role of heckler. Are you brave enough to do as Loewenstein does and actually create a voice of your own, rather than just providing a predictable echo effect?

I sincerely hope so. Your opinions will then be subject to the same scrutiny as you apply to others. And more importantly, I will only have to read your crap when I choose to, rather than having it thrust offensively under my nose while I read someone else's blog.

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:35:00 am  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

Any analysis or counter-arguments? Or just name-calling and sulking when you've been beaten in debate?

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:49:00 am  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

Neoleftychick, are you replying to my comment? I'm unsure. I don't recall ever debating anything with you. And asking you to put your name to your ideas via a blog is hardly sulking.

Why don't you just answer my question? Will you "get a blog"? (I believe this is a legitimate question for any serial heckler, no?) Or do your opinions require anonymity and someone else's forum before you have the courage to voice them?

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:56:00 am  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

dirt

My choice to discuss highly charged political issues in an atmosphere of semi-anonymity is hardly a capital offence. I am a little concerned at the aggressive umbrage you seem to take at somebody who has the gall to reject the infantile pro-terrorist Jew-hating politically correct line.

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:19:00 am  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

I think to answer your question more directly, yes I would start my own blog with my own name if, like Antony, I decide to write a book and/or seek fame/money through my strident opinions.

After all, a blog is excellent front-end free PR.

However, at the moment there is not an issue or topic that I feel sufficiently passionate or educated about to embark on such a venture, so for now, the perfectly legitimate semi-anonomyity chosen by most bloggers is fine with me.

Is it not with you? Oh well. Too bad.

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:25:00 am  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

Fair enough, Neoleftychick. I'll just continue to skip over your comments whenever they become unproductive, abusive, or idiotic. Enjoy.

PS I took no umbrage, am not aggressive, and did not suggest anonymity was a crime. Your avoidance of the thrust of my question was predictable and typical. I'll leave you to it.

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:02:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

okey dokey.

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:06:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Neo,

"Have they picked out a mentally-handicapped boy for a matyrdom gig this week? "

Where did you read this stuff Neo? Stormfront.org?

Anyone could go head to head with you and dig up equally incriminating heresay about the activities of the IDF or Israeli agents. What woudl that achieve? What would it prove? Do Palestinian terrorists perpetrae vile acts? Or course they do? Is so hard to aknowledge that there are issues that fuel this extremism or are we to believe that it's soemthing Palestinians aere born with?

I doubt you've spent much time reading about the USS Liberty and the Lavon Affair (aka Suzanna Project). Political panache no indeed.

"I've got all day, so keep the good news about Muslims rolling!"

I would expect nothign less. Once a racist, deranged psychotic, always a racist, deranged psychotic.

I am not interested in peddling good or bad news. I am intersted is investigating both sides of the debate. Israel's right to exist and enjoy security is not being questioned by anyone. Most human beings woudl agree that Palestinians also have a right to exit and enjoy some degree of autonomy. You evidently are not one of them. If this was simply a Jordanian and Egyptian problem
(as yo usuggest), then explain to us why the hell the US is not holding their feet to the fire to resolve the issue?

Simpley put, I and everyone here, are sick and tired about your repeated BS to reduce this otherwise complexed issue down to one of race and genetics.

What the hell happened to you to make you such a hate filled creaming banshee?

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:47:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Regardless of the infamy of the Lavon affair, ten official investigations have cleared the israelis of any evil concerning the Liberty.

It takes an antisemite to link the two together.

The US does not hold the feet of Egypt and Jordan to the fire because they signed peace treaties. Don't you ever follow the news or do you just revel in ignorance?

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 5:22:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

Ibrahamav said...

"... ten official investigations have cleared the israelis of any evil concerning the Liberty."

And this explains why there are so many looney conspiracy theorists around - can you blame them?
How do the Israeli's do it? Get caught spying for Israel - a misunderstanding - never hear of it again. Watch the twin towers get hit and cheer like its a football game - disappear, no-one saw you. Bomb the shit out a US warship - never happened. NeoLefty is right, you gotta hand it to them. A fraction of this orchestrated PR for the Pali's, and Bruce Willis would be starring in Our Man from Gaza..

Oh Ib. just type USS Liberty into google, read a few 1st hand accounts and let us know if the "investigations" into the incident may be a tad full of shit and lies.

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 6:04:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

addamo

Yes, there is ONE thing that provokes the disgusting sub-human vile male Muslim pigs like that towelhead in Kuwait who has the f4ing nerve to demand to be treated as an Australian! Let him be treated like they treat all Muslim pigs

THE 2 problem with Palestinians is simple. Males and ISLAM!

YOU are just a co-conspirator in child-molestation and terrorism, so just drop the sanctimonious strut while you are in OUR country.

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:36:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

neo., I think you're need some professional help. - seriously

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 8:57:00 pm  
Blogger Clumsy Birds said...

How do the Israeli's do it? Get caught spying for Israel - a misunderstanding - never hear of it again. Watch the twin towers get hit and cheer like its a football game - disappear, no-one saw you.

Orange- it's no surprise you need reminding- the Palestinians were cheering 'like its a football game' following 9/11, not the Israelis. I'll email you the video if you'd like.

My God, neolefty, shut up for awhile.

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 9:07:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

Well true, the Gazaians were cheering and who can blame them..I'm talking about the Israeli art students (or was it the movers) cheering watching it LIVE!!

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 9:31:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

stweie, check these out


http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/israelispys.html
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3007
http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/headlines03/1102-07.htm
http://www.venusproject.com/911/did_israel_sacrifice_wtc.html
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/03/WTC/spies10.html
http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/blackj/column100.html
http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707

Wednesday, December 28, 2005 9:42:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Neo

"our" contry? Since when did the country become more yours than mine? So long as the country is mine as much as it is yours, I will sanctimoniously strut all I want.

You have made it perfectly clear that you have a hatred of muslim Arab males. OK new falsh lefty, we get the picture.

Your lunatic ramblings about my being a co-conspirator to child molesters is revevaling of how low you are forced to dengenerate the debate in order to defend your indefensible stance. You realyl are a pretty disgusting individual, which is dissapointing. Once in a while, the lucid side of you surfaces., btui it seems that Golum is well and truly winning.

I suspect that this forum has become some form of group therapy for you, where you can vent what you are too ashamed to state in public. Your rants would turn the the stomach of most right wing biggots.

Ibraham, Neo has stated repeatedly that the plight of the Palestinians is due as much to Jordanand Egypt foresaking them as anyone else. I was asking her why the US and the international community does not force them to take the Paelisitnians into their contry if there was any truth to the matter seeing as both countries receive so much aid to keep the peace.

The Lavon affair and the USS Liberty share the common theme that Israel were trying to implicate Egypt at the time. Both took place a long time ago. I only brought it up for Neo's education.

Orang, indeed you might want to check out the dancing Israeli's on 911. After 911, the US stated theer wre 200 Al Qaeda operatives in the US. As it turned out, there were 200 Mossad.

Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:41:00 am  
Blogger Clumsy Birds said...

Who can blame them? Ah ok, its all US foreign policy. That doesn’t change the fact that Palestinian society is sick to the core (and isn’t getting any healthier), when its people celebrate an event like 9/11.

Your sites:

There is no evidence, be it hard or circumstantial, to link the Al Qaeda "terrorist network" to these acts of terror, but there is a mountain of evidence, both hard and circumstantial, which suggests that Zionists have been very busy framing Arabs for terror plots against America.

One last thing - at 09:40 a.m. on 9-11 it was reported that the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for the attacks. This claim was immediately denied by the DFLP leader Qais abu Leila who said it had always opposed "terror attacks on civilian targets, especially outside the occupied territories."

Why would a Palestinian organisation comprising of less than 500 people make the suicidal move of immediately claiming responsibility for the 9-11 attacks?

From here: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html.

Why would a Palestinian organisation comprising of less than 500 people suicide against Israeli targets on a regular basis? Your right! Maybe the Jews are doing this in Israel too? The last mall bombing at Netanya, it was Mossad!

Or, these Palestinian terrorist organisations are full of terrorists who know they can get away with this shit, with gullible folk like you in the world.

After the attacks on New York and Washington, the former Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was asked what the terrorist strikes would mean for US-Israeli relations. He said: "It's very good." Then he corrected himself, adding: "Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy [for Israel from Americans]."

Bibi clearly meant that it was good in that the Western world would finally have to recognise the danger of fundamentalist Islamic terrorism, and it would bring Israel and the US closer together. He wasn’t saying 4000+ deaths were worth such recognition, and he certainly wasn’t suggesting any Israeli involvement or attempt to allow the event to happen. It was nothing more than an unfortunate way of answering the question, seized mostly by b-grade conspiracy theorists and anti-Semites.

It's not surprising that the New Jersey housewife who first spotted the five Israelis and their white van wants to preserve her anonymity.

Of course its not surprising! Nor is it surprising she didn’t get any pictures, nor anyone else for that matter. Perhaps this woman simply doesn’t exist? That would certainly explain why this story disappeared so quickly- a lack of truth, witnesses, and evidence.

This makes it clear that there was no suggestion whatsoever from within American intelligence that the Israelis were colluding with the 9/11 hijackers---simply that the possibility remains that they knew the attacks were going to happen, but effectively did nothing to help stop them.

(The above, from here: http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/blackj/column100.html)

Another link you gave says otherwise:

In August 2001, the Israelis handed over a list of terrorist suspects---on it were the names of four of the September 11 hijackers. Significantly, however, the warning said the terrorists were planning an attack “outside the United States”.

(Thats from here: http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/blackj/column100.html)

As does this link:

Apparently, we were, repeatedly; for the better part of a year, we were told there would be unfriendly visitors to our skies some time in September 2001, but the government neither informed nor protected us despite Mayday warnings from Presidents Putin and Mubarak, from Mossad and even from elements of our own FBI.

(From here: http://www.venusproject.com/911/The_Enemy_Within.html - Interestingly named URL, by the way.)

Even if the Israelis said that the attack would happen outside the US (in no way was such a statement deliberately meant to ‘throw’ the US intel services) that doesn’t mean the US would simply ignore four of the listed suspects known to be coming into the US.

Summary of the article from http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3007

The Jews knew the attack was coming, only ‘Jew’ is substituted with the words ‘Zionist’ or ‘Israel’.

Orange, you citation of these claims that Israelis, and American Jews, were forewarned of the events of 9/11, and that Israeli Mossad agents danced and jumped on rooftops, is not only fanciful, it rings of the anti-Semitism of Hitler’s Europe, and much of Europe pre-Holocaust. It wasn’t Osama, it wasn’t the Arabs- it was the Jews. It is intended simply as an attack on Israel, and perhaps the West more generally.

These conspiracy theorists have taken a couple of articles, written without a hint of journalistic integrity, or sources (except for a quaint, anonymous housewife so scared of Mossad she is in hiding), or evidence, and made the case for Osama Bin Laden’s innocence- even though he has confessed on many tapes made following 9/11, and perhaps before.

Worse- all the sites you gave use the same article as the basis for their claims that these mysterious Mossad agents celebrated the 9/11 attacks, despite the training they must have undertaken in Israel, in full view of New Yorkers, and openly bragged to the police that picked them up how America would know the horrors Israelis have since 1948. Either Mossad is the poorest example of a covert espionage organisation, or the conspiracy goes so deep they knew they could get away with the crap you’ve just claimed.

I am truly sickened by your reluctance to accept that 9/11 was not a ‘Western’ event- it was the product of Islamic terrorism.

If you want to hear it from someone else, click here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_researchers#Claims_related_to_Jews_and_Israel

Or here: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&articleID=000DA0E2-1E15-128A-9E1583414B7F0000&colID=13

[...]if you type "World Trade Center" and "conspiracy" into Google, you'll get more than 250,000 hits. From these sites, you will discover that some people think the Pentagon was hit by a missile; that U.S. Air Force jets were ordered to "stand down" and not intercept Flights 11 and 175, the ones that struck the twin towers; that the towers themselves were razed by demolition explosives timed to go off soon after the impact of the planes; that a mysterious white jet shot down Flight 93 over Pennsylvania; and that New York Jews were ordered to stay home that day (Zionists and other pro-Israeli factions, of course, were involved)

That’s all I could be bothered Googling for- find other articles if you need to, or just use your common sense.

Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:11:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

orang,

You'll notice that the Liberty incident is fully covered by every lunatic group on earth. All of the white supremist, Holocaust deniers, neo-nazis, and islamofacists sites keep it up and alive. Any wonder that the leading antisemitic groups on earth keep this up? Any wionder why you believe them?

Addamo - your querry regarding the US's failure to hold Jordan and egypt accountable for their brutal occupation was fully answered. Perhaps it was to simple for those with an antisemitic agenda.

Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:22:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

It was not answered Ibraham.

Why are Egypt and Jordan not offering to accomodate the Paelistinians if they are respomsible for the dislocation of the Palesitinians?

Stewie, well rebutted. Though it is questionable how you base your assertions exclusively on the absence of evidence is evidence of absence rational. Are you suggesting cover upas are completely out of the question?

The story of the dancing Israeli's actually does have legs. Fox News’ Carl Cameron did a four-part series which then mysteriously dropped off the Fox website.

http://www.nypress.com/15/15/taki/taki2.cfm
http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/Israeli-Spying-Part-1.htm

Israel has the most effective intelligence agnecy in the world bar none. It is not inconceivable that they had an inkilng of what was abotu to transpire on 9/11, even if not complicit.

Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:17:00 am  
Blogger orang said...

Stweie,
No, I don't think the "Israelis were responsible for 9/11". I gave the links as a back up to my original comment, "Watch the twin towers get hit and cheer like its a football game - disappear, no-one saw you." Because there are a lot of denialists around.

Interesting your link from Wikepedia.

"A group of Israelis filmed 9/11 whilst celebrating...

This claim was substantially correct: Yossi Melman had reported to that effect in Haaretz on September 17, 2001[50], using the words "puzzling behavior" and "what was interpreted as cries of joy and mockery." Several mainstream Western media groups researched this. On June 21, 2002, ABC published a report that five Israelis seen filming the events of September 11 in New York and looking "happy", were subsequently arrested, claiming (on The Forward's authority) that the "FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives" but had no advance knowledge of 9/11."

I'm often doubtful about the veracity of the "truth" cited in this site. Often, particularly with a hot topic like Israel-Paletine, it's how many/how often, the contributions come in. So the last part of that entry is...truth? Opinion? Just thought I'd throw that in?

You Stweie, you are disgusted by the Pali's cheering the Twin Towers. We apparently should accept the inherent terroristic streak of the Pali's and the terrible things they've been doing to the poor Israelis since 1948. But how should we feel about our civilised buddies laughing and joking as 3,000 die in the twin towers? I guess we "understand", they've had a rough time...what?

Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:35:00 am  
Blogger orang said...

Ibrahamav said...

"orang,

You'll notice that the Liberty incident is fully covered by every lunatic group on earth. All of the white supremist, Holocaust deniers, neo-nazis, and islamofacists sites keep it up and alive. Any wonder that the leading antisemitic groups on earth keep this up? Any wionder why you believe them?"

Ib. I think even Dershowitz agrees that the USS Libery thing happened. You're being silly.

Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:40:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Not to mention the surviving victims themselves who are still puching to have the investigation reopened.

Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:19:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Stewie,

There is this quote of course ""Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information." -- US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring and its connections to 9-11. - M. R."

Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:24:00 am  
Blogger boredinHK said...

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Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:29:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Borderlink,

I think it's a safe bet that the general warning to allIsraelis/Jews was a myth. As you say, it would have been next to impossible to cover that up this long mongst such a broad group.

As for the "dacing Israelis", they were spotted on the morning itself. What is suspicious, is that they were supposed to be working for a company called Urban removals (or something like that). As the story goes, the owner of the company alledgedly closed up shop days after 9/11 and headed back to Israel, never to be seen or heard of again.

One thing that I recall that is also suspicious, is what Colin Powell said he would give a presentation to the UN, showing proof that Bin Laden was behind 911. As far as I'm aware, we're still waiting for the expose.

Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:43:00 pm  
Blogger Clumsy Birds said...

This is the closest article in the Forward I can find on your ‘dancing’ Israelis:

http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.03.15/news6.html

The possibly imaginary article in the Forward, and Le Monde, is the basis for your claim that Mossad spies were filming 9/11 (therefore knowing that the attack would target the WTC, or at least the Manhattan area, and again ringing of the anti-Semitism of centuries past).

Addamo, Orange- I realise that pointing out a lack of evidence (all this story has is the above article and a single anonymous witness) is never going to convince you, as individuals clearly willing to assume the worst of Israel and Israelis, nor is noting that an organisation such as Mossad would train their overseas spies to behave in a covert fashion. Loudly cheering and dancing following the 'Israeli's successful' filming of 9/11 is a stark contrast to the efficient assassinations following the events at Munich in 1972.

At least you’re intelligent enough to recognise that the claim Jews were warned pre-9/11 is a myth.

But how should we feel about our civilised buddies laughing and joking as 3,000 die in the twin towers? I guess we "understand", they've had a rough time...what?

(So, these Mossad agents even knew how many people died as soon as the planes hit?)

Clearly they did no such thing, at the worst, they spied within US borders on Arab suspects.

Thursday, December 29, 2005 3:50:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

Well there are hundreds of sites on this, believe what you want to believe.
At least we have an admission from stewie that Israelis "at the worst, they spied within US borders on Arab suspects".

I love this - OK so they did spy in the US, but it was on Arab suspects (so that's alright).

Ib's humour is rubbing off.

Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:31:00 pm  
Blogger Clumsy Birds said...

From the evidence you provided, Orange, that is the worst the Israelis could have been doing. I didn’t say they were, and I didn't say I was at all convinced.

And if it were true, I didn’t say it was OK.

Yes- Arab suspects (the PC term I should've used is Islamic extremists, apology's). Israel would hardly be looking for the next Timothy Mcveigh.

Thursday, December 29, 2005 5:37:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Stewie,

I am not making any statements about Israelis. I think the story may have soethign to it but, either way, I think it's insignificant.

You suggested that the celebration by Palestinians of 911 was dispicable. Is it such a stretch to consider that some Israeli extremists may have had the same rections but for different reasons?

As Netanyahu stated, the event would be good for Israel as far as increasing sympathy for their cause. All these guys apparently did was take that sentiment a step further.

Make of it what you will.

Friday, December 30, 2005 12:47:00 am  
Blogger Mannie said...

"My choice to discuss highly charged political issues in an atmosphere of semi-anonymity is hardly a capital offence. I am a little concerned at the aggressive umbrage you seem to take at somebody who has the gall to reject the infantile pro-terrorist Jew-hating politically correct line."

"YOU are just a co-conspirator in child-molestation and terrorism, so just drop the sanctimonious strut while you are in OUR country."


People who write anonymously haven't got the courage of their convictions to write under their own names.

And people whose only line of argument is to abuse others who have arguments different from theirs are not worthy of response, so "Neo" and her ally "Ibby" lose on both counts and are politically inept - behaving like our politicians who behave so contemptuously to the people they are supposedly elected to serve!

Friday, December 30, 2005 3:26:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Poor mannie, so much time, so little of value to say. Perhaps you should wipe your ass more often? You'll have more friends to play with.

Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:42:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
Poor mannie, so much time, so little of value to say.

Tsk tsk. Such disrespect from the pubescent one.

That's what's wrong with the youth of today - no values - no skills -no brains.

Saturday, December 31, 2005 6:33:00 pm  
Blogger anthony said...

Ibrahamav, you vote Green?!?

Saturday, December 31, 2005 11:08:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Did eddie, a noted antisemite, write something?

Antony, I do not vote Green.

Sunday, January 01, 2006 3:08:00 am  
Blogger anthony said...

Sorry Ibrahamav, Ed was implying you had no values, skills or brains, so I naturally assumed you were a Green voter.

Whoa-ho, BAM!

Sunday, January 01, 2006 3:40:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

anthony said...
"Sorry Ibrahamav, Ed was implying you had no values, skills or brains, so I naturally assumed you were a Green voter."

On that criterion, he must vote for the Greens. It really doesn't matter what Ibsta says these days. He's a joke without a punchline.

Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:33:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Our noted antisemite is concerned about what?

Monday, January 02, 2006 3:58:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

See what I mean? All joke, no brain behind it.

Monday, January 02, 2006 4:08:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Still no reply?

Monday, January 02, 2006 9:15:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
Still no reply?

Now he's going for the "I'll just say something random and unrelated because I have no idea what's going on" strategy.

Monday, January 02, 2006 1:38:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Still no actual reply?

Tuesday, January 03, 2006 6:37:00 am  
Blogger Mannie said...

"Poor mannie, so much time, so little of value to say. Perhaps you should wipe your ass more often? You'll have more friends to play with."
Pre-pubescent, more likely! It really makes a relevant point by telling someone to wipe their "ass" (sic)(very) more often!By now one would have hoped that he could drop the anti-semite tag for something more relevant, but no!
How many Jews has he actually met who have diverging views from his?
He should read the views of Sol Salbe, who is actually an Israeli living in Australia, and who has some very interesting views on Israelis and Palestinians.
He really needs to get out more and meet people and get educated!

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:07:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Please, Mannie, wipe your ass more often.

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:08:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Mannie said...
"How many Jews has he actually met who have diverging views from his?"

I'm still not convinced Ibby has met ANY Jewish people.

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:30:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

I'm not certain that anyone outside of Zundel cares what eddie is convinced of.

Wednesday, January 04, 2006 8:08:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

By "care" I take it you mean "hate" because Zundel hates bleeding-heart left-wingers like me with a passion. Apparently people like me are Zionist co-conspirators.

Zundel would, on the other hand, be caught betwix the lip and the cup in the case of people like you, Ibby. One the one hand, you're a dire enemy because of your out-and-out Zionism, yet on the other hand, you're a bosom-buddy because you share the same ground on the political spectrum: an abiding commitment to extreme right-wing ideology.

Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:26:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

By care I mean care. Why do you throw out so much addamo? No imagination?

Friday, January 06, 2006 12:49:00 am  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

mannie

And who are YOU? The Dr. Phil of AL's blog? What a vapid statement, "People who write anonymously haven't got the courage of their convictions to write under their own names."

Who CARES about your scorecard of "courage?" I am merely debating people on a blog.

Friday, January 06, 2006 11:48:00 am  
Blogger Mannie said...

Anonymity is not debate. If you want to know about me, I do not hide behind a pseudonym. Scorecard? This is no sport - this is a serious debate about abuse and it is time the abuse stopped and rationality took over. What on earth is Dr. Phil???
http://www.zipworld.com.au/~josken
http://home.pacific.net.au/~josken1
It is no debate on a blog if your credentials are hidden so that no one knows whether you are as non-Jewish and cowardly as your supporter Ibraham Av - whose name really implies something other than Jewish.
Get a life and get some "courage" and tell us who you are and what you really think!

Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:22:00 pm  

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