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Sunday, December 18, 2005

A time to stand together




"We are all Australians and we should never forget that."

I attended a large anti-racism rally today in Sydney. It was an opportunity for people of various ethnic backgrounds, gender, sexual orientation, Jewish, white, black, Asian, Middle Eastern, indigenous and convict stock to stand proudly together and call for calm, understanding, tolerance and belief in multiculturalism.

For a news report, see here. For more photos, see here and here.

Around 3000 people gathered in Sydney's centre to hear various speakers - young and old, students and activists, white and dark - articulate how the recent mob violence in Sydney does not represent more than a small minority of Australians. We then wandered down to Belmore Park for a more relaxed gathering.

The state and federal government were blamed for stirring up racial divisions and the media was accused of benefiting from the fall-out. 2GB radio was particularly targeted and the baiting of presenter Alan Jones.

But racial tensions cannot be solely blamed on governments or the media. This is a much more complex issue and requires greater understanding between Australia's ethnic groups. The stereotyping must stop. And so must the calls to end multiculturalism, usually based on little more than preserving an antiquated and utopian view of Australian identity. All groups - including Lebanese youth and Howard's suburban "battlers" - need to realise that Australia's past is nothing to which we want to return.

Today was a celebration and a wake-up call. I was proud to be Australian.

52 Comments:

Blogger neoleftychick said...

The one good thing to come out of the cancer of these backward lebanese muslims and the venal Labor Party that foist them upon us is that a new Pauline Hanson figure will emerge. Let us hope this time it is somebody suave and educated like Pim Fortuyn.

But given how violent, cold, ruthless these people are who would risk being assassinated?

Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:27:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

neoleftychick said...
The one good thing to come out of the cancer of these backward lebanese muslims and the venal Labor Party that foist them upon us is that a new Pauline Hanson figure will emerge. Let us hope this time it is somebody suave and educated like Pim Fortuyn.

I thought the genocidal Final Solution you suggested for all Arabs was just a case of you flying off the deep end. But no. It really is part of a pattern. You really are a fascist.

Yes, I hope Australia's next Great White Hope is somebody like Pim Fortuyn because he's dead.

Sunday, December 18, 2005 11:02:00 pm  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

OK, I hate to do this, but can we just all ignore NeoLefty for this once...

Anyway, I wasn't there, but it looks like from the photos that this was a pretty one-sided Lefty wank-a-thon. The Socialist Alliance (which I seem to recall Darp saying *wasn't* going to be involved), Democrats, anti-Howard signs, "don't deny Australia's racist and violent past" (could you imagine a sign saying, "don't deny Islam's racist violent past - and present"???), a sign that is cut off but I think blames the war on terrorism, signs calling the Aussie flag a "symbol of racism"...yeah, this is all really constructive.

Incidentally, I think it's disgusting that the coppers, instead of closing down the beaches and punishing the innocent, didn't spend the weekend storming the inner-west, including Premier Iemma's electorate, and clearing it out of all the thugs who are "known to the police" and caused so much of the follow-on trouble. If a bogan with a tree branch can get banged up for four months, what about the car-smashing, people-bashing thugs, well, what about the scum who terrorised Maroubra, et al?

Monday, December 19, 2005 8:43:00 am  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

Furthermore, to give equal play on the Alan Jones placards, why not any signs calling the racist and sexist imams who we are told don't represent true Islam or the majority of Muslims in Australia "un-Australian"?

Wonder how tolerant the crowd woulda been then?

Monday, December 19, 2005 8:49:00 am  
Blogger weezil said...

Antony, great to meet you yesterday.

Hope we can get you on board with the formal complaints to DPP & ACMA about the Parrot.

You sure get your share of racist nutbag morons around here. Anyone who thinks that one or two imams griping about brown people being ill-treated in Australia is worse than neo-nazis with petrol bombs and police scanners really should self-immolate.

Monday, December 19, 2005 9:40:00 am  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

Weezil -- Not griping about brown people being ill-treated (that's just standard victimisation fare), but urging separatism and telling young males that white girls who dress provocatively deserve rape! To say nothing of places like the Lakemba bookshop, which sell anti-Jewish and racist hoaxes and tracts such as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Monday, December 19, 2005 9:55:00 am  
Blogger weezil said...

Shab, you're talking about bad behaviour on the part of an extraordinarily small number of people out of the millions of brown people in this land.

I can point out equally bad behaviour- and in MUCH greater numbers- from Anglos. And the Anglos absolutely win hands down when it comes to hatemongering.

http://machinegunkeyboard.com/?p=173

Further to that, no Islamic hatemonger has access to the ears of 17% of the Australian population every weekday. Jonesy sure does.

If you want to tapdance around with numbers, at least you should have some good ones. Check the Australian Bureau of Crime Statistics.

Sexual assault is TWICE as prevalent per capita in northern NSW than in Bankstown- and there's much fewer brown people in the population up there.

http://machinegunkeyboard.com/?p=166

Cut the crap. There's entrenched racist attitudes in some mental midgets in Australia. There's no excuse for it. There's even less cause to excuse Jonesy & Wilshire enciting this normally idle racist sentiment into petrol bombs. Don't even try. To apologise for this garbage is every bit as bad as doing it.

I reckon 2GB should pay for a whole hell of lot of auto glass.

Monday, December 19, 2005 10:31:00 am  
Blogger Gibbo said...

I'll ask the same question here as I did at Darp's place without any sarcasm or shit stirring.

What was achieved? Beside the usual "rent a rally" folks no-one turned up.

What was achieved?

Can I safely send my 15 year old daughter to the beach today now?

Monday, December 19, 2005 10:56:00 am  
Blogger Comical_Ali said...

"Shab, you're talking about bad behaviour on the part of an extraordinarily small number of people out of the millions of brown people in this land.

I can point out equally bad behaviour- and in MUCH greater numbers- from Anglos. And the Anglos absolutely win hands down when it comes to hatemongering."

Ok, name me one OTHER mainstream community leader - thats the leader of any ethnic, religious, black, white, asian community who singled out another minority group for complete racist vilification and demonisation?

Thats OTHER than, the leader of Australia's largest Islamic representative body and also the head of Australia's largest mosque. Know who I'm talking about?
Mufti of Australia ring any bells? "The Jews are the cause of all wars and that they and that they try to control the world through espionage and sexual perversion.?" Sounds familiar?

Thats just one example. You know, its interesting that you bring Imams into the equation and than say that theres no comparison between the racism and bigotry of the "brown" (what ever that means) people of this land to the Anglos.

Perhaps you are right.

Monday, December 19, 2005 10:56:00 am  
Blogger Gibbo said...

By the way, I'd be willing to lay a small wager that the idiot formerly known as neoleftychick is probably the same idiot, or a close friend of, the idiot formerly known as Mushtaq Omar. Same modus operandi all the way. Troll around saying stupid things to see if you can get another idiot to agree with you then denounce them as an idiot. Clever stuff eh!

I might be wrong. It could just be a new idiot.

Monday, December 19, 2005 11:03:00 am  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

I'm sorry, I just think it's ridiculous to not apportion blame where it lies and instead figure out a way to make this another blame-whitey exercise.

How many of those rural rapes, terrible as they are, were done in pack circumstances, with the perpetrators calling the victims "Aussie Sluts" who were going to get done "Leb style"? How many of those rural rapists offered up a "my culture made me do it?" defense? How many rural priests and ministers have tried to excuse the behaviour?

Why is it that Lebanese Muslims have far lower intermarriage rates than any other immigrant group? Doesn't this suggest a self-imposed insularity?

You would have to be a complete dill to live in Sydney and not recognize that there is a serious problem with this one group...even if the Vietnamese and other Asians, and I guess the Italians to some extent, have their organised crime, it just doesn't seem to be as huge a problem - and the cops don't seem to be scared to go after them - and all these other groups are very well integrated, at least in my experience.

Monday, December 19, 2005 11:19:00 am  
Blogger David Heidelberg said...

Not me Gibbo. I must also say that I find your attitude to be puzzling. Wasn't it you and your fellow wingnuts who made the proclamation that it is incumbent on the moderates to condemn the fanatics? Or does this only apply to the scary brown people?

Shab, remember this? Good catholic boys as I recall.

Monday, December 19, 2005 11:43:00 am  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

I'm sorry, David, I don't see the point...I mean as horrifying as that crime was, the context is completely different, and I suspect you're just trying to muddy the waters without looking at systemic Muslim Lebanese problems in the here and now.

Look at Tanveer Ahmed's piece (he's hardly a white bogan!) in OnLine Opinion:

"There are bad kids from all walks of life, but this group is producing a disproportionately higher number.

It is obvious to anyone who has worked in public education, the health sector or the police in south-western Sydney. I have seen it working in hospitals where children as young as five regularly abuse and swear at staff with minimal retribution from parents. In mental health, young Lebanese boys make up a disproportionate number of those who present in a drug induced or chaotic, violent state. Once the possibility of a psychiatric disorder is ruled out, the patients are inevitably referred to the police...

The more worrying link with religion is the attitude towards Western women. A decent Muslim would undoubtedly be taught to respect women in all their varieties. But all families teach a brand of womanhood, and it’s imparted primarily from mothers and enforced by fathers. If a person is taught that a good woman acts and dresses modestly, it is plausible for them to deduce that a bad woman may dress in a revealing manner. This is particularly true if the young adults are already on an anti-social trajectory...

there are other Muslim youth from many different countries living in Sydney. Other Arab Australians from Egypt, Jordan, Iran or Syria do not have the same problem. If you meet them, they will be quick to point that their community’s migration was from a more skilled base. They had smaller families, focused on their children’s education and integrated more easily.

It is difficult to place blame on communities that wanted nothing but the best for their children. They are certainly not evil. But it is time to acknowledge that there has been a real failure in specific sections the Sydney Lebanese population. Only then will we have a better chance at helping them. Otherwise the word Leb will leave an even greater linguistic stain in the future."

Monday, December 19, 2005 12:00:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

I see what youre getting at Shab, and the articel you quoted makes some good arguments. It's also interesting that the criticisms we have been hearing often fail to qualify that the rogue element is Lebanese, preferring to use the broad brush of identifyung them as Arab Muslms.

Monday, December 19, 2005 12:09:00 pm  
Blogger jonny said...

Ok, what I fail to understand is that if this is a march supposed to unite ALL AUSTRALIANS against racism, why are they blaming it all on Howard?

Doesn't this just alienate half the Australian population?

Monday, December 19, 2005 12:11:00 pm  
Blogger jonny said...

Lowenstein, you can't deny that you don't spread hate and racism. Look at your commentary about the jews. What makes you better than any nazis.

Monday, December 19, 2005 12:22:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Get a grip. How am I better than Nazis? I'll let your slow brain work that out for yourself.

Monday, December 19, 2005 12:46:00 pm  
Blogger uphillsprinter said...

just wondering if jonny can provide any evidence to support his "What makes you better than any nazis"?

Monday, December 19, 2005 12:59:00 pm  
Blogger David Heidelberg said...

Shab, the Lebanese thugs who have been responsible for a number of incidents over the past few years, are hardly what you'd call observant Muslims. These guys dress as gangstas, drive hotted up cars with 'doof, doof doof' pounding out of their 2000 watt sound systems. Hardly the look of jihadists.

Via LP, I came across these two articles that are worthy of consideration.

The youths at the core of the trouble are being disowned by some Lebanese leaders and parents as unrepresentative "thugs" who have brought shame on both the Muslim and Christian Lebanese communities.

And this one -

Their dream was the same as most Australians: their own home, security and family. Their fear was that their children would be corrupted by aspects of an overly permissive and promiscuous Australian culture. Their response was over-protectiveness, which perhaps fostered a more rebellious attitude in their young.

Monday, December 19, 2005 1:05:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

David,

Great links thanks. Now I gotta ask hwo you guys are able to attach your hyperlinks within your messages. I haven't figured it out. Care to give me some pointers?

Monday, December 19, 2005 1:13:00 pm  
Blogger David Heidelberg said...

Adam. Like this.

PUT TEXT HERE

In that example, the words PUT TEXT HERE would appear blue, and if you clicked on them, you would go to whichever site you've put between the "".

Monday, December 19, 2005 1:20:00 pm  
Blogger David Heidelberg said...

Oops, unmitigated disaster there, sorry.

I'll work out how to give an example without actually creating a link.

Monday, December 19, 2005 1:24:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

Whenever I hear that the problem is "Lebanese Muslims" I cringe. Sure, many of these thugs are probably Lebanese, and probably from muslim families. But by calling this a problem caused by Lebanese Muslims we alienate the whole community which is itself having problems dealing with them. Hell, even John Howard and Lexy Downer have seen the light and are actually working WITH the Indo's on law and order issues(for instance)instead of grandstanding and tarring them all with the same brush.

Monday, December 19, 2005 1:29:00 pm  
Blogger Gibbo said...

Mushtaq, I did say it might not be you. It was your style though!

Weezil, if you are going to leave links as references then they probably shouldn't be links to your own writings. I even tried to follow the link in your linked reference but it comes up as an error. Do these figures you quote take into account percentage of population?

Back to my original question which no-one has answered... what was acheived by yesterdays rally and can I now send my young daughter to the beach in safety?

Monday, December 19, 2005 1:43:00 pm  
Blogger Comical_Ali said...

David Heidelberg said:

"Shab, remember this? Good catholic boys as I recall."


Let me guess, they targetted her because she was protestant or the color of her skin was slightly different?

There is nothing worse than a racially motivated attack. But When it comes from a group of people who immigrated to this country and specifically target girls who happen to be Australian (of all naiontalities in Australia!!) and subsribe to the wrong religion -- than thats taking racially motivated attacks not to mention hate crimes and gang rapes to a whole new level.

I'm an immigrant myself and I'm absolutley baffled as to why these Lebanese boys would do such a thing!! I dont know, perhaps I was brought up to think differently (cluture, religion wise)...

Monday, December 19, 2005 3:19:00 pm  
Blogger Comical_Ali said...

"Shab, the Lebanese thugs who have been responsible for a number of incidents over the past few years, are hardly what you'd call observant Muslims. Hardly the look of jihadists."

So tell me, how many Lebanese christians were involved in these incidents?

How many Lebanese christian walk around the beach calling girls who they deem 'ianppropriatley dressed' - 'sluts'? or better still 'AUSSIE' sluts? It kinda reminds me of the religious police of the Taliban...

Monday, December 19, 2005 3:24:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

You proably hear that a lot at Israeli check points, where IDF soldiers show their deepest repects to Palestinian women as they fondle them while pretending to be doing body searches.

Monday, December 19, 2005 3:31:00 pm  
Blogger David Heidelberg said...

Comical, Did you even bother to read the links I left for you? Obviously not.

Monday, December 19, 2005 3:43:00 pm  
Blogger Comical_Ali said...

great response from addamo who would be even be kind enough to point out the relevance.

perhaps he can even go out of his way to post links and evidence in addition to other stories of IDF brutality - such as sending in HIV infected strippers and prostitutes to corrupt Palestinian men, handing out poisoned candy to Arab children, using radiation to wipe out Arabs not to mention how IDF sonic booms cause 'misscarriages' in Palestinian women, etc.

But pointing out the relevance would be a start...

Monday, December 19, 2005 4:00:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Relevance? Your aluding to the notion that only Lebanese muslims are capable of gratuitous disrespect towards women from enthic backgrounds other than their own.

Are you suggesitng abuses at Israli check points don't take place? Not enough blood for you Comical?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1643573,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1160554,00.html
http://intothemiddleeast.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2004/3/27/104307.html

Anyone starting to see a pattern here? Is it just me or does it appear as thought Neo, Comical, David, and Ibraham can't seem to get enough violence when Arabs are on the reciving end. Must be a collective sickness that comes from leaning to the right.

Monday, December 19, 2005 4:08:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

I wonder if the Arab who sent this text message was at your little rally?

"My Arab soldiers, don't let no one hold you down. Run amok and take this mother f..ing town ... the skip (Caucasian) bitches are scared,"

Monday, December 19, 2005 4:18:00 pm  
Blogger Comical_Ali said...

Ok here is the crux of your link:

"And while it has been implied, it has not been established that the Lebanese victims of the riots at Cronulla on Sunday and the revenge attackers over the following evenings were mostly Muslim."

It has not been ESTABLISHED. so in other words it just mere speculaiton.

Speculaiton aside - how many christian Lebanese were arressted for the recent gang rapes in Sydney? How many of them were engaged in burning down churches?

Reading further:

"The Muslims were seen by some of the Christians to be undermining their hard-won place in Australian society."
There is regrettably an element within the community that see the Christians as Uncle Toms, as servants to the white man, and they resent them as that. I believe this is an attempt to whip up the Lebanese," said one community member who did not want to be identified."

interesting.


"These guys dress as gangstas, drive hotted up cars with 'doof, doof doof' pounding out of their 2000 watt sound systems. Hardly the look of jihadists."

Of course they are going to do that -- teenagers are always going to be teenagers no matter where they come from. But there is no doubt, that along with the usual "doof, doof", these boys are strongly influenced by their own up bringing -- how else would you explain their "policing" of the beach and harrasing young women who are "inappropriatley" dressed.

To drive the point even further - just have a look at their hate mongering leaders. I believe that being in and around the Lakemba area, most of these Lebanese boys probably frequent or come from families who frequent Lakemba mosque. And the head of that mosque is a hate mongering racist bigot, who is even classed as a moderate by some. If he's a 'moderate' than I would hate to see their extremists.

So no suprises there.

Monday, December 19, 2005 4:19:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

Why has it it taken 10 years for Sydney-siders to finally start standing up to these hateful, violent, misogynist, and racist Islamic assholes?

Well now that people are finally standing up, all the horrifying corruption and softly-softly approach to the massive Leb crime gangs is starting to surface.

Of cousre Morris Iemma will have to resign. How the hell can we have a premier who is the MP for the troublemakers?

Monday, December 19, 2005 4:22:00 pm  
Blogger Comical_Ali said...

addammo, first you make the following allegation "IDF soldiers show their deepest repects to Palestinian women as they fondle them while pretending to be doing body searches."

Relevance to what is being discussed here? None.

Nevertheless, I ask you to provide evidence. As "evidence" you give the following links to articles like "Seven Year Old Boy Killed by Israeli Occupation Forces - Soldiers Block Ambulance Access.
"

Relevance to proving that IDF fondle Palestinian women at check points? none? Relevance to what is being originally discussed here? you get my point.

I dont see how this all ties in with the behaviour of certain elements of Lebanese muslim youth in Australia. Perhaps you would do better by posting stories of Jewish gangs harrassing anglo/celtric girls for being inappropriatley dressed on Sydney beaches.

Monday, December 19, 2005 4:30:00 pm  
Blogger Stev said...

Addamo - the HTML tag you want to use is 'a href="put URL here"' (without the inverted commas, but with quotation marks)

Like with any other HTML tag enclose the whole section in <> and at the end of the text you want to act as the link make sure you close the tag with /a (again enclosed by <>)

It's kinda tricky to explain in this format without actually creating a link as David showed, but I think that should explain it.

If not, here is a link which should hopefully shed some light on the subject.

Monday, December 19, 2005 4:56:00 pm  
Blogger Stev said...

Actually, adding a 'target="_blank"' after the URL (again, without the inverted commas, with quotation marks) is not a bad idea - something I need to get into the habit of doing - it opens the link in a new window rather than this little comments window which is not great for browsing.

Here endeth the HTML tutorial :)

Monday, December 19, 2005 5:05:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

edward mariyani

You are right. Pim is dead. How long before they start popping off OUR leaders. They also got Theo van Gough and now they're after Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

And yet Labor was happy to let them in by the camel load!

Monday, December 19, 2005 6:06:00 pm  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

Gibbo, depending on your perspective, the weekend anti-racism gatherings achieved a number of things.

- The public expression of anti-racist sentiment - especially in light of the recent opinion poll showing very low support for Howard's views on Australian racism - demonstrates to the deniers, be they bloggers or Prime Ministers, that racism is indeed a component of contemporary Australian life, at least as far as the people are concerned. If public expression of concern can prompt a broader recognition of this fact within the popular body politic then that in itself is an accomplishment.
- For those who attended - not the organisers or members of groups that habitually cling on to events like this - the gatherings provide a sense of community and some reassurance that they are not alone in their views. Again, the opinion polls, blogs, and letters pages serve to reinforce this.
That is to say, anyone who had the shits with racism and denial of it would find that others share their opinion and are willing to express it. When it isn't an election year, people of conscience vote with their feet.
- Again, for those who made it to a gathering, there was an opportunity to make contact with others who share their political views. This doesn't happen often, what with long hours and a generally apolitical society, so putting like-minded people in touch, particularly with regard to an issue as important as racism, is very valuable. In any democracy, anywhere, public gatherings are of immense value. (Yes, even the mobs at Cronulla and Lakemba were of some value in terms of the issues they brought in to the national conscience.)
- For those who stayed at home but thought about attending, or even those who would never think of attending but share anti-racist views, the events again provided reassurance that such views are not as isolated as they may otherwise appear. In a democracy like ours, dominated by media opinion-makers and punch-and-judy politicians, such reassurances provide confidence and empowerment for people who feel strongly about an issue but lack the courage or motivation to take action.

I concede that these achievements, and others no doubt, will seem dubious in your book. And so I would expect. From your blog and trail of heckling commentary, I would say you are something of a "private conservative", if such a thing exists. That is, if it doesn't effect you, you don't care about it. And if something concerns you then those to blame become the enemy. This kind of stability-first practical conservatism is not uncommon in the lower-middle-class suburban belt. I grew up with it. (Incidentally, I suspect I lived around the corner from you a few years back. My old man, with his Aussie flag in the front yard, still does. Just a hunch. I might be wrong.) This means that the demos didn't change anything in your eyes - you still get up and go to work, the police are still on the beach, and Howard is still doing as he pleases.

I also expect that you will deride the groups involved with these events and question the value of putting people in contact with them. Fair enough. Of all the views espoused by your side of the debate, that is one I agree with. Haven't these people heard of volunteerism? Don't they realise "Bush = Hitler" banners jeopardise their cause by denting credibility? Etc. To that I would say, though, that many of the groups involved are in fact worth making contact with - grass roots groups, the minor parties (whatever your thoughts on them), community groups. This is the stuff of grass roots politics - a counterpoint, often futile I admit, to the two-party wank.

So there you have it. For people who care about these issues and are concerned for the fate of the Australian body politic, demonstrations of public sentiment are immensely valuable. For those who are concerned only with their own lives and that of their family or local community, walking down the street with a banner changes nothing and means less.

I can understand and respect - and heartily disagree with - your perspective. Can you do the same?

Monday, December 19, 2005 6:30:00 pm  
Blogger anthony said...

Hey thanks, Stev!

Monday, December 19, 2005 7:06:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Shabadoo said...
"Furthermore, to give equal play on the Alan Jones placards, why not any signs calling the racist and sexist imams who we are told don't represent true Islam or the majority of Muslims in Australia "un-Australian"?"

Hard to get hold of publicity shots of them methinks. They're not quite the celebrities with the same reach and influence as The Parrot, y'know.

Monday, December 19, 2005 9:23:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Shabadoo said...
"urging separatism and telling young males that white girls who dress provocatively deserve rape!"

Quotes please - no, not from your (or The Parrot's) imagination; real quotes from real imams. Go for it.

Monday, December 19, 2005 9:26:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

edward

Deal with it. Alan Jones speaks for Australian values. Women hiding behind shower curtains while their "brothers" go around dealing heroin, bashing up Australians, and raping "skippy sluts" do not. And welfare cheat Keysar Trad is as hideous as he is un-Australian.

If you want to start an Alan Jones versus Leb trash debate, go ahead. nake our day!

Monday, December 19, 2005 9:46:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Alan Jones is nothing more than a shock jock who sold his soul to the highest bidder, just like another famous radio jock who's past his prime.

Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:54:00 am  
Blogger Mannie said...

And of course everybody has forgotten who killed Anita Cobby and also a group called National Action - whose leader was imprisoned for firing at Eddie Funde, the South African ANC representative in Australia during the apartheid years. The leader of the National Action group is now one of the leaders of Australia First and was responsible for spearheading a great deal of the violence at Cronulla.
And why don't some of these people blogging here really go and help Sharon recover and help all their other Israeli friends who are engaged in keeping the West Bank safe for all the Jewish settlers there? They could do with all the help from those in the "safe havens" of Australia - who may be a bit nervous of going down to Cronulla for a swim.

Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:40:00 am  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

addamo

OMG! You are such a moonbat. Hun, why must you insist on this sooo dreary purse-lipped pansy Fairfax bullshit? Hun, "shock jock" is an American invention. To a braindead bourgeois like you, the rational and justified attitudes of the Australian people might be a "shock" but who gives a fuck what a misogynist Terrorist-loving flea-bitten Arab camel jockey Towelhead like YOU thinks?

If you don't like Australia, piss off back to where you came from and take all these Lab assholes with you.

It sure would help Aussie women feel more comfortable about walking the streets and allow our lifesavers to get back to their VOLUNTEER work.

Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:52:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Oh dear Neo,

You are is such dire need of some loving it's not even funny. Has it really been that long , or did you recently walk in on your otehr half banging your best friend?

And would you care to explain at what point you decided to stop referring to us all colletively as Israelis, and turn to labelling anyone disagreeing with you as misogynistic, terrorist-loving, flea-bitten towel-headed, antisemite?

I dread to imagine what you would call a woman disagreeing with you? Probably the same thing you called you now former best friend.

I happen to love Australia and think it's the grandest place on earth, but loving ones country does not men becomming a rabid naitonalist that rejects all criticism of it. You seem awefully anxious to see us collectively marching to the goose step.

Shock jock is not an American invention so much as an American expression.

Buuild a bridge love. Everything hapepns for a reason. I'm sure you won't have any trouble finding a suitor who will sweep a gorgeous gall like you off her feet next time you visit Cronulla.

Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:53:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Thanks for the link and pointers Stev

Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:25:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

neoleftychick said...
a misogynist Terrorist-loving flea-bitten Arab camel jockey Towelhead

More adjectives please. You were just getting a roll on.

Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:02:00 am  
Blogger Mannie said...

"If you don't like Australia, piss off to where you came from and take all these Lab assholes back with you."
This is how to argue from someone who loves Israel but hasn't got the guts to go and live there!
The Concise Oxford dictionary defines:
neo - 1 new. modern. 2 a new or revived form of.
lefty - 1 Polit. a left-winger. 2 a left-handed person.
chick 1 a young bird, esp. one newly hatched. 2 sl a a young woman. b a child.
So young that all she seems to know is abuse!
Arguments which make sense would be a more intelligent approach, but this seems beyond the powers of this misnomer!
As for taking Labs with whoever, if she means the Alternative Liberal Party, then I couldn't agree more, but Lab?? What does this mean?
"Pansy Fairfax bullshit".
So we can now add homophobia to the xenophobic, racist, insulting abuse.
Yes, Fairfax is full of bullshit, but it has to be better than Murdoch, which is the only alternative we have other than the web, where we can really get at the truth of events.

Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:26:00 am  
Blogger Woodge said...

Neolefty chick - why don't you go back to where you came from? Or did your ancestors seek permission from the Aboriginals to be here more than anyone else? You are just as racist as those "Lab assholes" you complain about.

Thursday, December 22, 2005 3:17:00 pm  
Blogger boredinHK said...

I was curious about Edward's request for an iman's ideas about scantily glad women and the iman's supposed respose to them-
" "Edward Mariyani-Squire said...
Shabadoo said...
"urging separatism and telling young males that white girls who dress provocatively deserve rape!"

Quotes please - no, not from your (or The Parrot's) imagination; real quotes from real imams. Go for it.

Monday, December 19, 2005 9:26:43 PM " "
this was after a request for a fatwa ( I love the internet sometimes )-
Fatawa ID
27357
Date:
2005-12-20 07:38:00

Questioner:
Boredin Kong
Email Address
dmplumb@hotmail.com

Age:
47.0
Sex:
Male

Status:
Married
Country:
china

Question:
My question is about the social problems in Sydney ,Australia. There has been migration from Lebanon in the last 30 years and unfortunately many young lebanese men are committing crimes especially harrassment of women from other cultures. They are also forming criminal gangs especially involved in drug selling. One constant complaint about these young men is that they use their religion to justify the harrassment of white women who behave differently to young lebanese women of the islamic faith. Girls on the beach are called sluts and whores and some are sexually assaulted. What is the way these men should behave to women who are dressed in bikinis and appear to be sexually liberal?


Answer:



Dear questioner:



Al-Salâm `Alaykum wa Rahmah Allah wa Barakâtuh.



Men who behave in the way you describe are disgraceful. All women are to be respected. Muslim men are commanded to lower his gaze. These men you describe are acting contrary to Islam. If they try to justify their evil deeds with Islam, then they are committing a serious injustice against their faith as well.



And Allah knows best.



Fatwâ Department Research Committee of IslamToday chaired by Sheikh `Abd al-Wahhâb al-Turayrî

Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:33:00 pm  
Blogger boredinHK said...

And a further fatwa-
Fatawa ID
27358
Date:
2005-12-20 07:40:00

Questioner:
Boredin Kong
Email Address
dmplumb@hotmail.com

Age:
47.0
Sex:
Male

Status:
Married
Country:
china

Question:
My question is about the social problems in Sydney ,Australia. Have Islamic scholars ever said or do you think that these provocativley dressed young women are partly or wholly responsible for the reaction they get from young lebanese men?


Answer:
Dear questioner:



Al-Salâm `Alaykum wa Rahmah Allah wa Barakâtuh.



The men who commit evil deeds are wholly responsible for their sins. They bear the full responsibility for their crimes. Each of those men is acting according to his own free will.



These men are also burdened with the added sin of misrepresenting Islam to the people. Muslims are supposed to be examples for humanity. Muslims are supposed to call others to Islam. They are not supposed to act sinfully, unjustly, and wantonly.



And Allah knows best.



Fatwâ Department Research Committee of IslamToday chaired by Sheikh `Abd al-Wahhâb al-Turayrî

Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:47:00 pm  

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