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Sunday, December 18, 2005

Torture goes on

The US has ended the use of torture? Not even close, writes Martin Garbus, one of America's leading trial lawyers:

"The media has been totally misled on the alleged Bush-McCain agreement on torture. McCain capitulated. It is not a defeat for Bush. It is a win for Cheney.

"Torture is not banned or in any way impeded.

"Under the compromise, anyone charged with torture can defend himself if a 'reasonable' person could have concluded they were following a lawful order.

"That defence 'loophole' totally corrodes the ban. It is the CIA, or the torturing agency, who will decide what a "reasonable" person could have concluded. Can you imagine those agencies in the interrogation business torturing on their own in trying to decide what is reasonable or what is not? What is not 'reasonable' if the interrogator (wrongfully or rightfully) believes he has a ticking-bomb situation? Will a CIA or military officer issue a narrow order if he knows his interrogator believes, in this case, torture will work?

"The Bush-McCain torture compromise legitimises torture. It is the first time that has happened in this country. Not in the two World Wars, Korea, the Cold War or Vietnam did the government ever seek or get the power this bill gives them.

"The worst part of it is that most of the media missed it and got it wrong."

The world's only superpower will continue to use torture and export individuals to be tortured.

Spreading freedom, indeed.


Blogger neoleftychick said...

When the Americans start stoning women to death, covering gays up to their neck before driving tractors over them, sanctioning men who rape women and slaughter their sisters and daughters over matters of "honour," then I might start worrying about the U.S.

Until then we have a very, very dangerous world of nutters. There's over 1 billion of them. Even 50,000 of them here in Australia are starting to try to dismantle our liberal secular culture.

We must not let them.

Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:11:00 pm  
Blogger Pete's Blog said...

I agree with you AL.

The compromise also says nothing about the CIA's "outsourcing" of torture to security agencies in third countries in the Middle East eg (Egypt, Jordan), Pakistan and Eastern Europe.

The CIA can merely deny that it is doing this publically because its a covertly funded program.

Monday, December 19, 2005 12:09:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

A report recently came out whereby it was revealed that the torture camps in Europe were closed prior to Rice's visit. They are apparently moving these "black sites" to North Africa.

Nothing like spreading good cheer is there?

Noe. One thing worse than commiting any kind of human rights abuses. Commiting them and pretending to teh world that you are a champion of the cause.

Monday, December 19, 2005 3:09:00 am  
Blogger neoleftychick said...


I am not alone in having the guts to state that Islamo-fascists do not deserve any rights especially "human" rights.

They are pigs.

Monday, December 19, 2005 5:23:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

When are you going to come and and say what you relaly think Neo?

Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:54:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

neoleftychick said...
I am not alone in having the guts to state that Islamo-fascists do not deserve any rights especially "human" rights.

But beyond burbbling away here like a sewerage pipe, what are you going to DO about it? Vote? BAAAAHAHAHAHA!

Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:40:00 am  

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