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Wednesday, February 08, 2006

Comparisons

Daniel Pipes reminds readers that some Muslims aren't so bad after all:

"It is a tragic mistake to lump all Muslims with the forces of darkness. Moderate, enlightened, free-thinking Muslims do exist. Hounded in their own circles, they look to the West for succour and support. And, however weak they may presently be, they eventually will have a crucial role in modernizing the Muslim world."

Perhaps he would like to remind his readers that the vast majority of Muslims are "moderate, enlightened, free-thinking" and a tiny minority are intolerant and violent. Not unlike most other religions, in fact.

13 Comments:

Blogger orang said...

"...Hounded in their own circles, they look to the West for succour and support."..

(Yeah right, and he should have added)

"F*kheads like myself should refrain from inciting hatred against muslims in general in order to help the moderates in their task. Even though my whole reason d'etre is sh*tting on the muslims-particularly arabs and especially Palestinians, I promise to try and make an honest living without resorting to using words like 'Islamofascists'. Read more from me in FrontpageMagazine and the New York Sun."

Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:58:00 am  
Blogger Progressive Atheist said...

I'd like to hear Daniel Pipes' views on the European cartoon controversy.

Wednesday, February 08, 2006 11:04:00 am  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Here is Pipes on the cartoon issue:

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/3360

Wednesday, February 08, 2006 11:16:00 am  
Blogger JohD said...

From Crawford Kilian at Teyee




"The cartoons have been labelled satire, and perhaps they are. Cartoons are shortcuts that avoid patient, reasoned argument. The same is true of written satire.

But satire works from the bottom up: we may ridicule ourselves, or our masters, but our masters look like jerks when they try to ridicule us. The same is true across national and cultural lines. Swift's "Modest Proposal" would ring hollow if it were an attack on the Irish, instead of on Ireland's English masters. America's client states can growl about the morons in Washington; when Americans sneer at Canadians as "retarded cousins," they invite only more moron jokes at their expense.
"

Wednesday, February 08, 2006 2:53:00 pm  
Blogger OshKosh said...

"Perhaps he would like to remind his readers that the vast majority of Muslims are "moderate, enlightened, free-thinking" and a tiny minority are intolerant and violent. Not unlike most other religions, in fact."

Why, it certainly doesn't look that way.

Wednesday, February 08, 2006 3:00:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

"Why, it certainly doesn't look that way."

You mean, compared to this tolerant and non vilent role model?

Ex-U.N. Inspector: Decision Already Made To Attack Iranhttp://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11812.htm

Russian Ultranationalist Leader Expects U.S. to Attack Iran in Late March
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11828.htm

Washington digs in for a 'long war' as Rumsfeld issues global call to arms
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11824.htm

Wednesday, February 08, 2006 3:34:00 pm  
Blogger Progressive Atheist said...

Thanks for the link, Antony.

This quote from Pipes is hilarious:

Nor, by the way, have imams protested the stomping on the Christian cross embedded in the Danish flag.

That's right, by stomping on the Danish flag, the protesters are insulting Christianity! The problem is, why aren't Christians upset about this?

Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:42:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

addamo_01,
what's happening see, Rummy and the boys are helping out the moderate muslims.(like Daniel Pipes is doing) They are selecting to bomb the Islamofascist states like Iran (Yeeeeeehaaaaa!) So when they "out" the lunatics like Ajimajad (or whatever his name is) then the moderate muslims will be even better at influencing change to democracy and mutual understanding in the muslim world.

See?

(Oh god, I'm watching Cheney being interviewed by Jim Lehrer on SBS telling us that they have the right to spy on Americans after 9/11 and I'm fantasizing I've got a sniper rifle like "The Day of the Jackal" and shoot the exploding bullet into Cheney's pumpkin head...STOP THINKING LIKE THIS!!!)

Wednesday, February 08, 2006 6:12:00 pm  
Blogger Aaron Lane said...

Progressive Aetheist, I completely fail to see why that quote of Pipes's is so hilarious. I presume you mean that because Christians didn't take offense at the desecration of their symbol, it is ok. That reasoning is moronic. Muslims take offense at disrespectful treatment of Mohammed. Fine. They must therefore see religion as sacrosanct. Why, then, do they then go and disrespect a Christian symbol? It has nothing to do with the views of Christians. I presume you are against having intercourse with ten year old girls. If you were to visit a culture that thought this practice perfectly ok, however, would you then turn around and do it? Of course not, because your objection to it would have no relation to its acceptance by the foreign culture. Why then would Muslims who had a genuine respect for all religions think it ok to desecrate a christian religion symbol just because Christians weren't going to react violently to it? They wouldn't. It just goes to prove that the maniacs violently protesting are not genuinely respectful of all religions, but instead see Islam as some supreme ideology which all must kowtow too.

By the way, I think it odd that you call yourself Progressive Aetheist, since you spend most of your time defending right-wing religious lunatics, which is neither progressive nor aetheistic.

Wednesday, February 08, 2006 7:38:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

The point is; they thought they were jumping on the flag of Denmark.
It was only f*ckheaded Pipes who threw in the "Christian" angle - as you would if you were a f*ckheaded c&cksuking lunatic rabid muslim hater like Pipes.

Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:29:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Orang,

Trust me, I have this fantasy about taking Bush, Rummy, Cheney, Bolton, Wolfowitz, Feith and the rest of these psycopaths out ona boat somewhere in the middle of the Pacific and wrapping chains to their ankles, weighed down by big cement blocks.

And then, I would.....well yo get the idea.

Thursday, February 09, 2006 12:31:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Yes Pipes is such a slavish devotee of the battle of Civilizations. he rarely gives up an opportunity to jump on the pro confrontation bandwagon.

Thursday, February 09, 2006 3:01:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Here's an interesting article from Justin Raimondo abtou the whole Pipes/Flemming team. It turns out that Flemming is an admirer of Pipes - Imagine my surprirse.

Even more laughable it that "Pipes is the founder of Campus Watch, an organization devoted to stamping out any and all academic treatments of Middle Eastern affairs that don't conform to his narrow strictures, which might be mildly described as fanatically hostile to Islam, Arabs, and anyone who opposes his extreme Israeli nationalism. Campus Watch is engaged in compiling blacklists of professors who refuse to spout the pro-Israel party line, and actively encourages students to spy on their teachers and report miscreants."

So it turns out that Mr Pipe's screed abtou freedom of speech is really about freedom to agree with him.

I'm suspect there is more to Flemming's neocon connections than meets the eye.

http://antiwar.com/justin/

Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:30:00 am  

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