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Thursday, September 29, 2005

Censoring the genes

From the UK Observer, November 2001:

"A keynote research paper showing that Middle Eastern Jews and Palestinians are genetically almost identical has been pulled from a leading journal.

"The paper, 'The Origin of Palestinians and their Genetic Relatedness with other Mediterranean Populations', involved studying genetic variations in immune system genes among people in the Middle East.

"In common with earlier studies, the team found no data to support the idea that Jewish people were genetically distinct from other people in the region. In doing so, the team's research challenges claims that Jews are a special, chosen people and that Judaism can only be inherited.

"Jews and Palestinians in the Middle East share a very similar gene pool and must be considered closely related and not genetically separate, the authors state. Rivalry between the two races is therefore based 'in cultural and religious, but not in genetic differences', they conclude."

These conclusions are just as controversial in 2005.

11 Comments:

Blogger mauser*girl said...

I never realized that there were people out there who think that the Jewish people are genetically distinct from other Middle Eastern peoples. Ironically, that's almost a classically Nazi thought - racially "superior", special, chosen people. Ehm.

Thursday, September 29, 2005 4:45:00 pm  
Blogger Glenn Condell said...

I have argued with many a Likudnik in all sorts of forums over the years and one of the things they hate most is being reminded that the Arabs are their bro's.

So I did a google to see if I could find any old posts to demonstrate this; not one.

Maybe they pulled those too!

Thursday, September 29, 2005 6:31:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Yes, those Palestinians, who inherited the nazi style hatred of their previous mufti of Jerusalem, are sick racists.

Amazing how they desire a second holocaust... of their brothers.

Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:30:00 pm  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

Palestinians desire a second holocaust? Ibrahamav, please substantiate that claim.

Friday, September 30, 2005 10:47:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Look at the charter of Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad. What is the popular sermon in the Palestinian mosques?

You don't really need me to substantiate that claim. You already know it.

Friday, September 30, 2005 1:23:00 pm  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

Ibrahamav, you have won me over. Where do I sign up for your newsletter?

Sorry, Ant. I am switching sides to be with the intellectuals.

Friday, September 30, 2005 5:32:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

dirtbikeoption said...
Palestinians desire a second holocaust?
Ibrahamav said...
Look at the charter of Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad. What is the popular sermon in the Palestinian mosques?

As far as I can tell, Hamas, Fatah and Islamic Jihad are political organisations, rather than synonyms for "the Palestinian people".

You'll be happy to know I did check the 1988 Hamas Charter, and it certainly said that it wants to eliminate Israel as a state, but it doesn't say it wants to eliminate all Jews as a people. (Only the latter constitutes a desire for genocide.) I also checked Fatah's 1965 Constitution. What a relic that is! It reaks of the Marxist rhetoric of the time. I don't think that document means very much these days. Yes, Article 12 does state that one of the primary goals is the "Complete liberation of Palestine and eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence," but again, that it not the same as saying one wants to eliminate the Jewish people from the face of the earth. It is waying it wants to eliminate the Zionist presence in "Palestine" (boundaries unspecified). And anyway, Article 12 (and Article 22, "Opposing any political solution offered as an alternative to demolishing the Zionist occupation in Palestine...") are obviously out-of-date and redundant now otherwise we wouldn't be able to explain the Rabin-Arafat accord (and the gazillion other attempts at agreement). As for Islamic Jihad, I couldn't find a charter for them (which is not really surprising given their relatively insignificant size and (reported) lack of popularity in the Occupied Territories), so I don't know what IJ thinks - presumably something similar to Hamas since it broke away from there.

So, based on what you suggested here, I don't see support for the assertion that "they desire a second holocaust".

As to what's at the Top of the Palestinian Sermon Hit Parade, I'm afraid I wouldn't know where to begin to double-check that. I certainly haven't had the opportunity to go around to a random sample of mosques in the Occupied Territories with my pen and clip-board furiously ticking off the "holocaust statement" box, collating the data, and running the appropriate significance statistical tests. I assume you have, however - I can't think of any other reason for your confidence about this. Kind Regards.

Friday, September 30, 2005 6:25:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Eddie, Sorry that your literary skills end before you get to the "between the lines" information.

Destruction of Israel includes the destruction of the Jewish people of Israel.

Friday, September 30, 2005 10:13:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
Eddie, Sorry that your literary skills end before you get to the "between the lines" information.

Destruction of Israel includes the destruction of the Jewish people of Israel.


Huh? If you read their documents you'll note they're not exactly light on the violent rhetoric. Hamas, as I'm sure you would agree, is a collection of psychotic nutcases. Given everything written in the Hamas Charter - all pretty shocking, and not exactly a document designed for sneaky underhanded diplomatic double-speak - if they wanted to say "Smoke out all the Jews, where-ever they are hiding around the world and kill them", then I think they would have absolutely no interest in putting "between the lines". We're not talking about Kabbalah secret code here - they're crazy, but they're not THAT crazy.

Sunday, October 02, 2005 3:39:00 pm  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

Edward's, point that 'Hamas, Fatah and Islamic Jihad are political organisations, rather than synonyms for "the Palestinian people"' is a critical one. And of course therefore ignored in Ibrahamav's weak reply.

Monday, October 03, 2005 11:13:00 am  
Blogger Murky Thoughts said...

From the five year-old news story "The journal's editor, Nicole Sucio-Foca, of Columbia University, New York, claims the article provoked such a welter of complaints over its extreme political writing that she was forced to repudiate it"

Sounds plausible to me, having read many a scientific paper. The editor is saying was the text and the discussion, not the data or the conclusions, that got the article pulled. That and the fact people get easily upset about anything touching Israel/Palestine, no matter which way it spins. Qvit yer kvetching.

Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:24:00 pm  

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