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Wednesday, September 28, 2005

Jew-sponsored stock car booed off track

Thanks to Onion Sports.


Blogger Rowan Berkeley said...

Congratulations on appearing in CounterPunch, but watch out for the guilt-by-association attacks, which will look something like this : "Anthony Loewenstein also publishes in the Jew-hating rag CounterPunch, which has hosted supporters of the Swedish fascist Joeren Germas (aka 'Israel Shamir')... " I offer this example almost at random, to show the technique, which builds a chain of incrimination stretching from the target, however innocuous, to as many current betes noirs as possible.

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 6:01:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Guilty by association? I distance myself from any kind of extremism, neo-Nazis etc, and tell the reality as I see it.
Let the public decide...

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 6:16:00 pm  
Blogger Rowan Berkeley said...

I think the discursive space within which Jewish topics are discussed has the topology of a Klein bottle. Distances are deceptive. But we shall see ...

Incidentally, do you think that photo is really really real? The Onion hasn't bothered to give any actual text with it, and the photo is almost too good to be true...

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:02:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

I suspect the pic is a piss-take, surely not real? Then again, if it's in the US, who knows...

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:10:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Sorry Antony, but by giving Rowan Berkley, a well-known neo-nazi sympathiser a go, you have initiated the guilt by association log.

Rowan is known for attempting to foist his antisemitic agenda on the back of palestinian support blogs. "Enemy of my enemy" sort of thing.

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:51:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

I've never heard of Rowan before, and can only judge him on his comments here. If what you say is true - rather than simply questioning official Israeli dogma - I'm certainly interested...

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:55:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

You can see some of his comments on I'm afraid you have to go through most of them as the references which establish his agenda are here and there among his comments.

Questionaing Israeli dogma, for the most part, is not antisemitism.

Thursday, September 29, 2005 12:24:00 am  
Blogger Rowan Berkeley said...

Iby is a bit of an exaggerator, Antony.

Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:48:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Very slight. I might say stabbed viciously in the heart rather than just stabbed in the heart. And I might say neo-nazi sympathiser rather than noted white supremist.

But that is about it.

It is enough that Rowan is embarrassed enough to offer a slight rebuff.

Thursday, September 29, 2005 2:12:00 am  
Blogger Rowan Berkeley said...

Saying that I am "well-known", or "noted", for anything at all is, alas, exaggeration, or, to put it less tactfully, fabrication. I know Iby will want to turn this into a sustained exercise in trolling, however, so I shall ignore further posts by him here, as I do at 'PeacePalestine'.

Thursday, September 29, 2005 4:40:00 am  
Blogger Brian said...

I am not familiar with Australian law, but if someone wanted to establish a Christian identity for australia, including giving highly preferential treatment to Christian immigrants, banning Christian to non-Christian marriage and forbidding non-Christian missionary work in Australia, would you consider that person to be out of the mainstream of political diaglog in Austrlia? How would you label such a person?

Would such policy constitue a change to australian law, and if so would you be in favor of such change?

Thursday, September 29, 2005 4:46:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Rowan Berkeley said...
Saying that I am "well-known", or "noted",, alas, exaggeration.

So you are a little-known neo-nazi and sympathiser for white supremists?


Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:54:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Brian, I think you may be on to something. Are you comparing this to what it is like in the Arab Islamic world?

Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:30:00 am  
Blogger Polywise said...

Brian – I would label such a person a white supremacist and an ideologue. Sadly, people of such persuasion are gaining increasing traction within our Islamophobic political mainstream.

Once upon a time Australia had what was called The White Australia Policy. You can read more about it here:

I would, in no way, shape, or form be in favour of the return of this policy or any policy that is even vaguely similar.

Thursday, September 29, 2005 12:00:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

However, Polywise, this is the policy that exists in most of the Islamic world, which is increasingly becoming Ameriphobic, regardless of the islamo-terrorism in the world.

Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:29:00 pm  
Blogger Polywise said...

ibrahamav, what's your point?

Just because such a policy exists in most of the Islamic world does not make it justifiable or appropriate for Australia.

Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:49:00 pm  
Blogger Comical_Ali said...

try telling that to some notable Sheiks here

Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:34:00 pm  
Blogger Comical_Ali said...

Rowan as a die hard fan who expressed his support, Antony can now thank you for making him guilty by association -- to you.

And so can the Adelaide institute who turned him into one of their poster boys

Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:36:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

But Poly, the point is that the policy does not exist in Australia and it does exist in most of the islamic world.

Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:35:00 pm  
Blogger Brian said...


The question is do you think the policies list above would be a reasonable for Australia?

Do you think the Jewish community in Australia would support such policies.

Polywise, I didn't bring up race, just religion. There are many christians of different race all over the world.


Friday, September 30, 2005 2:10:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

N, I don't think Aussies, whether jewish or not, would support such measures.

Friday, September 30, 2005 7:13:00 am  
Blogger Brian said...

Your decision to avoid a direct answer is answer enough.

Saturday, October 01, 2005 1:40:00 am  

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