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Thursday, October 27, 2005

Fresh bigotry

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land," he said.

Worldwide condemnation for the comments has been swift. Canada's Foreign Affairs Minister said he wanted to "vigorously condemn the remarks made by Iran's president. We are in the 21st century. Canada will never accept such hatred, intolerance and anti-Semitism. Never."

The comments should be condemned in the strongest possible terms. They are anti-Semitic, vicious, counterproductive and immoral.


Blogger Human said...

I second your comments Antony. What does he think this gains? Who was he trying to convince? Is he another who mantains power by fear and hate? Are they really gearing up for an offensive War or is this to rouse the masses for a War to come to them? The man is anything but stupid, so this was a calculated statement.
BTW- you are now linked on my blog.
Peace. your fellow Human

Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:41:00 am  
Blogger Pete's Blog said...

To threaten to wipe out any country is disgusting.

A few points.

Iran's leaders enjoy a fare bit of popular support (usual human rights oppression aside) giving their crazed views more significance.

When added to its nuclear program this makes Iran a considerable threat to stability in the region - though not on a par with Israel.

Unlike Israel, Iran can expect some retribution from the US - perhaps as a US "smokescreen" in connection with a embarassing partial US withdrawal from Iraq.

A US (or perhaps Israeli) air or cruise missile strike on Iran's nuclear development infrastructure is a most likely scenerio I see within the next 2-3 years.

Israel's aerial bombing of an Iraqi reactor in June 1981 is a precedent in the region.

Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:43:00 am  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Such rhetoric isn't unusual from Iran...though it's mostly bluster, frankly. The idea that Iran would invade or bomb Israel seems irrational. Retaliation would be swift...and they're not stupid.
Expect international pressure to build on the powers that be try and avoid discussing the Iraq disaster.

Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:50:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

If the US were to Bomb Irans nuclear facilities, it woudl have to be before December, when Iran accepts fuel from Russai.

Bluster it may be, but I cannto fathon what Iran were trying to achieve with this stupid comment. Their timing could not have been worse.

Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:30:00 pm  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

Well said, Ant.

What a repugnant outburst by Ahmadinejad. It's as if he is keen to justify the layer of westerners who view all Arabs and Muslims and warmongers.

Have we heard a response from Howard or Downer as yet?

Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:31:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Nope. Who knows if we will...
Howard is too busy patronising the Pacific islands and Downer is, well, who really cares what he's doing. Apart from inspiring us all, of course.

Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:33:00 pm  
Blogger Pete's Blog said...

Nobody's saying "Iran would invade or bomb Israel."

A Shia Iran that says we may have (or almost have) the bomb would scare Israel and Sunni states around the region. In particular Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the UAE.

The spectre of emboldened Shias saying we have the bomb and the remote (but significant) possibility that a future Iranian bomb could be bought by other Muslim states or big time terrorists (bin Laden) should be a worry.

All the ex-Soviet nuclear weapons rusting away and current Pakistani ones are also a worry.

If bin Laden (or similar terrorists) is alive and still has cash and connections its possible he could nuclear bomb Israel, in future, in a massive type of suicide bombing.

Who would Israel strike back at then with its nuclear weapons? And would it be the type of glorius Armeggedon bin Laden is aiming for?

Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:38:00 pm  
Blogger Human said...

"And would it be the type of glorius Armeggedon bin Laden is aiming for?

And Bush and Pat Robertson?

Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:07:00 pm  
Blogger Shay said...

It sure is a relief to have some REAL anti-semitism to condemn after all the fake anti-semitism (i.e. criticism of Israeli government policies) that's been floating around lately.

Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:07:00 pm  
Blogger Pete's Blog said...


Well Bush, bless his soul, has a country (US) and empire to look after.

So notwithstanding his cute, but deadly, form of religious fundamentalism he has real estate interests.

Bin Laden has no real estate but a cause. He has less worldly goods to lose.

An nuclear assault on bin Laden (that kills many Muslims) would boost the type of Muslim-Christian struggle that he has sacrificed his life for (well he's centainly sacrificed many other peoples lives).

Bin Laden is certainly not the type of chap of a discerning girl would wish to marry.

Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:26:00 pm  
Blogger Mr Whippy said...

I second human's comment about this being a calculated statement. Ahmadinejad is no fool, although it's the exact opposite impression I get from his making of such idiotic comments. Iran is fully aware that the US and Israel are chafing at the bit for an opportunity to "neutralise" the country. So why such inflammatory rhetoric now? Are they viewing the current strife of the Bush Administration (Plamegate et al) as an opportunity for some kind of counter-psyop? Is it intended to be some kind of "bait" for the US or Israel, especially given the quagmire in Iraq?

Who does Ahmadinejad represent? His country? Or perhaps others behind him?

Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:55:00 pm  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

Methinks the Anty doth protest too much...yes, Ahmadinejad's comments are loathsome, but par for the course in both the Shia and Sunni worlds. Listen to the Friday sermons from the Grand Mosque in Mecca, for example. Par for the course in the religion of peace.

No, Anty's outrage here is more about buying some intellectual insurance for himself - he's not gonna get thrown in an Adelaide Institute-style briar patch again, and just wants us all to know that while he doesn't like Israel, he's not quite as hard core as all this.

Anty, my question for you is, this bellicose attitude having been demonstrated, do you still believe they have the unalloyed right to nukes since, after all, the US and Israel do, and in your eyes a state is a state is a state?

Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:45:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

No state should have nukes. If you can't understand how smaller nations see the US/Israel/India et al and want them too, well, it's called leading by example.
And yes, the US is far from dangerous than Iran could ever hope to be.

Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:55:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Antony Loewenstein said...
"Nope. Who knows if we will...
Howard is too busy patronising the Pacific islands and Downer is, well, who really cares what he's doing. Apart from inspiring us all, of course."

Hey hey hey. Let's have no criticism about Lord Downer. He is without a doubt the most hilarious politician we have seen since Sir Joh. He is worth every single cent. He deserves his own TV show.

Shabadoo said...
"Listen to the Friday sermons from the Grand Mosque in Mecca, for example. Par for the course in the religion of peace."

Shabadoo: do you know where I could find transcripts of these sermons on the net? I'd like to see them for myself.

Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:12:00 pm  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

The Downer Hour. Hmm.

Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:29:00 pm  
Blogger Gibbo said...

Your kidding Mariyani, anyone who wears a purple suit and a fez to work can't ever be taken seriously. And you have the stones to laugh at Downer? Hahaha.

Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:32:00 pm  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

EMS: Sure, easy enough to find. MEMRI does tons of translations, but here's an interesting article about Mecca's Grand Imam:

The themes of his sermons are characterized by confrontation toward non-Muslims. Al-Sudayyis calls Jews "scum of the earth" and "monkeys and pigs" who should be "annihilated." Other enemies of Islam, he says, are "worshippers of the cross" and "idol-worshipping Hindus" who should be fought. Al-Sudayyis has been consistent in calling for jihad in Kashmir and Chechnya, for Jerusalem to be liberated, and for the "occupiers in Iraq" to also be fought. He often claims that Islam is superior to Western culture.

At the Grand Mosque in Mecca on February 1, 2004, Sheikh Al-Sudayyis called on Muslims everywhere to unite to defeat the world's occupiers and oppressors. "History has never known a cause in which our religious principles, historical rights, and past glories are so clearly challenged.... The conflict between us and the Jews is one of creed, identity, and existence." He told those listening to "read history," in order "to know that yesterday's Jews were bad predecessors and today's Jews are worse successors. They are killers of prophets and the scum of the earth. Allah hurled his curses and indignation on them and made them monkeys and pigs and worshippers of tyrants. These are the Jews, a continuous lineage of meanness, cunning, obstinacy, tyranny, evil, and corruption...."


And yes, the US is far from dangerous than Iran could ever hope to be.

Huh? Anyway, as they say, you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:55:00 pm  
Blogger Iqbal Khaldun said...

Ahmedjinad's comments make fine fodder for Israel and the US. But I don't think their just vacant stirrings. No, Iran doesn't dream of attacking Israel. I think the real target is the domestic audience. What will be interesting to observe is whether, like the fundos in Pakistan, his bluster masks more moderate, politically expedient motivations. The Mullahs created him, and deep down the Mullahs know their grip on Iran, as it slowly modernises, is beginning to look less sustainable. Unless, of course, they can inspire fear of 'the other' within the general population.

Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:18:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Gibbo said...
"Your kidding Mariyani, anyone who wears a purple suit and a fez to work can't ever be taken seriously. And you have the stones to laugh at Downer? Hahaha."

Hey! I'm only trying to live up to The Downster's insanely high standards. I considered fish-net stockings fo a while, but decided to leave that to the master. (And it's a peci, not a fez.)

Shabadoo said...
"EMS: Sure, easy enough to find. MEMRI does tons of translations,"

Thanks for that.

"but here's an interesting article about Mecca's Grand Imam"

Eeek. Thank g-d I don't know anyone who thinks like that.

Iqbal Khaldun said...
" I think the real target is the domestic audience."


Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:04:00 pm  
Blogger Gibbo said...

Edward, you say tomarto I say tomayto...
It's still a silly hat where I come from.

Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:24:00 pm  
Blogger CB said...

Excuses excuses. Here's a thought for the rationalisers.

He means it.

Friday, October 28, 2005 12:14:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Gibbo said...
"Edward, you say tomarto I say tomayto..."

A peci is to a fez as a golden delicious apple is to a grannysmith apple.

Perhaps it would be better to just leave it at: you say hat, I say hat, let's call the whole thing off.

It's still a silly hat where I come from."

No argument there. I wouldn't wear it otherwise.

Friday, October 28, 2005 12:43:00 am  
Blogger Human said...

Pat Robertson during the ground advance into Iraq 2003, "This is a WAr against Islam" Bush "WE are on a Crusade". Benny Hinn, "The whore of Babylon must be destroyed for the Temple to be rebuilt."

To see the strong connections of fanantics like Bush and Bin Laden watch the 3 vids found here -

3 1 hour docs by the BBC made in 2004
I found the vids asounding.
Peace. Your fellow Human

Friday, October 28, 2005 1:06:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Good link Human, thanks.

Friday, October 28, 2005 2:12:00 am  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

Agreed. Good work, Human.

Friday, October 28, 2005 3:33:00 am  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

Post-modern flaccidity in all its glory: Their guys say bad things, our guys say bad things, who's really to judge who's right and wrong?

That the Beeb takes a goofball like Hinn or Robertson seriously - "hey, they pray, Bush prays, they must be the same!" - says more about the Beeb than it does about the West.

Friday, October 28, 2005 8:22:00 am  
Blogger psydoc said...

Well Ant, maybe you could explain why the UN secretary general was only "dismayed" at this shocking statement.

Given the fact that there were deaths that followed by groups sponsored by Iran, surely it is now time to warm up those fighter jets to support the ongoing existence of Israel. You wouldn't have a problem with Israel defending herself would you Ant?

Friday, October 28, 2005 12:01:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

In Israel's typically overblown way? Actually, yes, that's not OK and the world will no longer accept such behaviour. Fancy an Iran invasion? Bombing somewhere in their country?
You're right, in that region, some more bombing will certainly increase the peace.

Friday, October 28, 2005 12:04:00 pm  
Blogger Human said...

Well doc, maybe you could explain why the U.S. pResident called mass murderer Israeli PM "a man of peace".?

Given the fact Sharon is responsible for the deaths of thousands of women and children, surely it is time to warm up to the idea of a better leader?

I see that on your blog you have a link to little green fools. They take great joy in calling Cindy Sheehan "Mama Moonbat"
and the vigils that were held across America "Death Parties". Your one sick doc, doc. oh yeah, Merry Fitzmas

Friday, October 28, 2005 12:48:00 pm  
Blogger Human said...

Addamo and dbo-thanks for the kudos.
Merry Fitzmas! ;)

Friday, October 28, 2005 12:53:00 pm  
Blogger psydoc said...

well maybe, just maybe (in)human, the US president has slightly better judgement than you.

I could be wrong here, but unless you are Al Gore (and from the boredom factor you may actually be) you may not have actually had anyone express confidence in you and your opinions. And we should not count Ant, as he needs your hits.

Note the typical way that radical leftists like yourself and Dreamboat cannot bring themselves to criticise the UN. Even in a discussion about a country threatening to wipe the Jewish state off the map, you talk about Sharon? Shame on you.

Friday, October 28, 2005 12:59:00 pm  
Blogger Human said...

You got to be kidding me doc. You been taking your own scripts again? Look at the top of page and previous posting pal.
"If I'm called a Fascist in defense of Israel, so be it." Ariel "baby killer" Sharon. Shame on you doc. With a doc like you, Fascists have replaced Mengele.

Friday, October 28, 2005 1:09:00 pm  
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Friday, October 28, 2005 2:00:00 pm  
Blogger psydoc said...

Well, I hope Ant that you are now satisfied that you have people referring to Jewish doctors as Mengele. Its the oldest trick in the book to use Nazi symbolism to attack Jews.

Ant, do you encourage such people for your impending book sales? Are you sure its worth it?

Friday, October 28, 2005 2:02:00 pm  
Blogger Human said...

No. Just 1 doctor. you. Just by your use of the plural, shows what a persucution complex you have. Antony(that is his name) is very openminded here. He after all let's your crap be posted here. A stronger link of guilt by association is your link to little green fools. If it wasn't for that, I might of actually of tried to comm. w/u in a gentlemanly way, however Sharonists, just like people who send out suicide bombers will never have any validity me.
Merry Fitzmas.

Friday, October 28, 2005 2:19:00 pm  
Blogger Mr Whippy said...

psydoc: well maybe, just maybe (in)human, the US president has slightly better judgement than you.

LMFAO. Yeah, and maybe Dubya will win a Pulitzer Prize, too.

Friday, October 28, 2005 3:13:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Mr Whippy said...

"LMFAO. Yeah, and maybe Dubya will win a Pulitzer Prize, too."

No no - the Nobel Prize for (Postmodern) Literature.

Friday, October 28, 2005 6:50:00 pm  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

LMFAO? I see.

Saturday, October 29, 2005 6:12:00 pm  

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