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Sunday, October 09, 2005

The set-up

"Israeli unilateralism means only one thing: it has nothing to offer the Palestinians, nothing worth negotiating over. The Road Map asserts that only a true end of the Occupation and the establishment of a viable Palestinian state will finally see the end of this conflict with its global implications. A genuine two-state solution may already be dead, the victim of Israeli expansionism. A two-state "solution" based on apartheid cannot be an alternative accepted by any of us.

"Yet apartheid is upon us once again. Sharon must act fast to complete his life's work before his term of office expires within the next year. This is the crunch. We cannot afford to have our attention deflected by any other issue, important as it may be. It is either a just and viable solution now or apartheid now. We may well be facing the prospect of another full-fledged anti-apartheid struggle just a decade and a half after the fall of apartheid in South Africa. In my view, the next three to six months will tell."

Jeff Halper, Coordinator of the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions (ICAHD)


Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Halper is a well known antisemite without anything to offer.

Unless the Palestinians act quickly and come to the negotiating table in peace, Israel will dictate the borders of the second Palestinian state.

Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:50:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Dear ibrahamav,

I am very surious as to what you would like to see happen and why?


Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:58:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

A well-known anti-Semite?
Typical smear, based on lies.
You'll have to do much better than that...

Sunday, October 09, 2005 2:17:00 pm  
Blogger leftvegdrunk said...

Ibrahamav is a well known idiot without anything to offer.

(Gee, that was easy.)

Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:52:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Halper is well known. He is well known as an antisemite. For Lowensteins sake, I'll post all the proof on my blog and let the reader form his own conclution.

Regardless, The Israeli government will finish the fence. Without Palestinian progress on negotiations, that fence will become the boundary and Israel will separate from what is left of the west bank of the jordan river.

Hopefully the Palestinian nation of Jordan will come to their rescue as Israel cuts off all services.

Sunday, October 09, 2005 10:34:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

In the meantime, some proof of the nature of Halper:

Sunday, October 09, 2005 10:54:00 pm  
Blogger Simon David said...

Dear Antony
Dont let anyone silence you - hang in there - it is people like you who are actually giving Israel some hope for a future.

I was in Israel and the Occupied Territories last month and the situation there is truly horrendous.
Im an Australian but have been living OS for the last 4 years, and I had forgotten how linited political debate is back home. The arguments that get you a bucketload of hatemail in Australia are mainstream political debate in Israel. The typical editorial page of HAARETZ would get you slapped down as an antisemite.
The real threat to Israel is that the Palestinians are getting fed up with this whole charade - they are starting to lose all interest in a 2 state solution as it becomes clear that the "state" will be a chopped up bantustan. And they are not exactly unaware of the demographic trend running in their favour....

Monday, October 10, 2005 4:41:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

The Palestinians were never interested in a 2 state solution other than as a temporary rest stage for the invasion of Israel.

Truth helps.

Monday, October 10, 2005 7:01:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

How could they seeing as they have ever had a say in the matter.

Facts help even more

Monday, October 10, 2005 8:02:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

You should fault the Arab nations for that little factoid.

But with the Palestinians actually having representation in the UN, I believe they have had their say.

Yes, the facts help. But the facts usually condemn Palestinian and other arab leadership.

Monday, October 10, 2005 12:20:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

That's if you conveniently choose to ignore all the UN resolutions Israel cintinues to ignore.

I'm sure that Israel would have more support at the UN if it showed some respect to it and international law. What is up to now Ibrahamav, something like 64 UN resolutions between 1955-1992? That has to be some kind of record.

And that doesn't include the countless others that the US has had veto'd on Israel's behalf.

Your factually challenged posts are begining to look increasingly shallow my friend.

Monday, October 10, 2005 1:58:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

You bring up the typical antisemitic resolutions routinely passed by the UN and then call me shallow? LOL.

What is shallow is your understanding of why so many resolutions are passed for so tiny a problem. How many resolutions pass condemning palestinian terrorism?

Monday, October 10, 2005 10:31:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...


The Isealir government not only flouts the UN resoolutions, it repeatedly fluts the rulings of the Israei supreme court.

How can you describe the UN resolutions as antisemitic when they coudl not ahve bee passed without the consent of Isaerl's greatest ally and benefactor, teh US?

Would you describe those rulings as antisemitic?

The antisitic label is being thrown around so often and abused that it is fast losing any meaning or significance orhte than a weapon by which to stiffle debate.

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:18:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

When Israel is accorded the full priviledges of membership, then it may take the resolutions with less salt.

As for requiring US approval, you're out on the wrong limb. General resolutions, which are the vast vast majority passed, do not require US approval.

The vast majority of those Security council resolutions (which merely require the US to abstain to pass) also require action by Arab nations. Without that action, Israel has no need nor reason to act.

Your whine about the term "antisemitism" has been tossed about for as long as the UN has been in existance. It has lost none of its sting. It has lost none of its meaning nor significance. And it has never stiffled debate.

See how many times you can be wrong with one little post? Perhaps you should go to school and quit parroting Islamo-fascist and white supremist blogs?

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:42:00 am  
Blogger David said...

So which is it, ibrahim av? You seem to be claiming (incredibly) that Israel DOESN'T flout U.N. resolutions. But then you also imply that yes, it DOES, but it's alright because it hasn't been given enough membership priveleges, and because those nasty Arab states haven't behaved either. And besides, everyone knows the U.N. is really "antisemitic". Which is it?

BTW, Does this "ibrahim av" guy never go away? He seems to be a perpetual presence at every site that has every expressed a criticism of Israel or ever even considered expressing a criticism of Israel.

Much as I hate to suggest it, it might be time to consider a policy of banning such blatant trolls. I mean, just how interesting is the typical ibrahim av contribution? Typically, they all boil down to the charge of "antisemite!".

He is a hater, pure and simple. And if his last post was meant to be a summary of Israel's compliance with world resolutions, then he is also a liar. I say good riddens to him.

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 8:10:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Yes, Ibrahamav seems liek he has severe anger management issues.

I sincerely doubt that he is able to post a message without using the charge of antiseitism.

He will never aknowledge that it would be easier to combat antisemitism if the Israelis were not stealing Palestinian land in the West Bank or gradually taking over all of Jerusalem.

And isn't it interesting how he managed to completely avoid the fact that Israel's conduct has even been condemned by it's own courts?

Has anyone on this forum been able to make a valid critisim of Israel without Ibrahamav accusing them of being antisemitic?

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:35:00 am  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...


Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:54:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

David said...
"Much as I hate to suggest it, it might be time to consider a policy of banning such blatant trolls. I mean, just how interesting is the typical ibrahim av contribution? Typically, they all boil down to the charge of "antisemite!"."

A better reason for banning Mullah Ibrahim than the fact he's as mad as a cut snake, is the fact that he gives such an ignorant, ugly, de-humanising face to Israel that, among the unititiated, he (implicitly and inadvertantly), more than any neo-Nazi, works to encourage anti-semitic thoughts. I wouldn't want my son reading the Mullah's garbage for fear that he would get a demonically distorted impression of Israel, Zionism and Judaism. The Mullah is definitely R rated.

That said, I'm opposed to banning anyone - no matter how hateful. After all, there are Australians who attempt to censor Loewenstein on exactly these 'grounds'.

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 5:48:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Amazing that defending unfair and likely antisemitic criticism of Israel provokes such a display!

At least Loewenstein has the decency to reflect on the criticism while the rest of you yahoos knee-jerk yourselves into meaningless psycho-babble.

Perhaps if you left out the antisemitism and you a fair stick to criticise, then it wouldn't be charged.

Israel has no need to follow any resolution requiring Arab action when the Arabs refuse to act. If the Arabs flout them with impunity, Israel has every right to demand the same exemption.

But your blatant hatred refuses to allow you to see anything like that.

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 1:36:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

I agree with Edward,

Banning anyone is the worst thing we can do. Extremists soon identify themselves by the venom that emanates from their posts, their obsession with identifying enemys where there are none, and their refusal to actually engane in constructive debate.

Ibrahamav does a great disservice to himself and his beliefs. He appers to have a compulsion to pull ot the charge of antisemitism at the very mention of Israel.

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 2:19:00 am  
Blogger David said...

"Banning anyone is the worst thing we can do."

Yes you're probably right.

(I do hope no one has been distracted from reading the Halper article. It's a convincing analysis, imo, and very frightening.)

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 1:01:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
"Perhaps if you left out the antisemitism and you a fair stick to criticise, then it wouldn't be charged."

My comments were about you personally. I have no idea whether you're Jewish or not. (Perhaps not: you didn't know about Katurei Karta, for example.) So one could hardly call me anti-semitic here.

Is this post anti-semitic too. (Bear in mind I still have no idea whether you're Jewish.)

Wednesday, October 12, 2005 8:36:00 pm  

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