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Monday, November 14, 2005

Bye, bye Tony

British MPs are aiming to impeach Tony Blair over his conduct before the 2003 Iraq invasion.

Britain's former ambassador to Washington, Sir Christopher Meyer, recently slammed Blair over the Iraq war and challenged his assertion that the war hadn’t made Britain a greater terrorist target:

“There is plenty of evidence around at the moment that home-grown terrorism was partly radicalised and fuelled by what is going on in Iraq. There is no way we can credibly get up and say it has nothing to do with it. Don't tell me that being in Iraq has got nothing to do with it. Of course it does."

Furthermore, Meyer claims Blair failed to influence US planning for the war.

Such discussions are almost absent in Australia, so let's say it once again: our involvement in the Iraq war has made Australia a greater terrorist target. Prime Minister John Howard denies this, but then, he's a liar.

9 Comments:

Blogger Pete's Blog said...

Yes AL

Australia's involvement in the occupation of Iraq has made Australia a greater terrorist target.

Howard clearly wants to avoid being seen as culpable in his decision to send troops there if/when a terror bombing occurs here.

I'd say its misleading though for wouldbe bombers to say they are "defending Islam". They appear to be seeking revenge for a western attack on Arab people. Islam is just one part of the identity of Arab people.

Wouldbe terrorists need to remember that there are around 200 million Muslims in Indonesia just to our north. From that scale of humanity one would expect a larger "Islamic terrorist" or mob reaction against Australia. Criticism from the Jakarta government on the Iraq war seems very muted.

Monday, November 14, 2005 11:27:00 am  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

Tony Jones speaking to Sheik Mohammad Omran the other night:

TONY JONES: Tell me this, if there is enough anger out there to bring some young men to the brink of making terrorist attacks in Australia, what do you think it is that could possibly motivate them?

SHEIKH MOHAMMED OMRAN: Nothing more than the injustice. And this is the worst sickness could come to any society and destroy it.

TONY JONES: What sort of injustice are you talking about specifically that could motivate someone in this country to do something so extreme?

SHEIKH MOHAMMED OMRAN: All type, all type of -

TONY JONES: Are you talking about a sense of international injustice about, for example, what is happening in Iraq and Australia's involvement there?

SHEIKH MOHAMMED OMRAN: No, no, no. First and foremost, we are talking about social injustice and not equal opportunities for everyone. As long as we are all Australians we should be equal in the eyes of the law, in the eyes of the Government. And this is what we are talking about. This is the main thing we are talking about.

TONY JONES: But, are you suggesting that a perceived lack of equal opportunities, or indeed discrimination, could actually motivate people in this country to terrorism?

SHEIKH MOHAMMED OMRAN: Yes, they would. It doesn't have to be, of course, don't misunderstand me. I'm not here talking about Muslims or non-Muslims, it is for everyone. As you saw that in so many different countries and previous communist countries, the uprising there because of these things. And some of the Middle East countries, the same thing happening, and so many - I don't want to go to the name of the countries and the name of - but I believe, as a man with a long experience in life, that the main trigger could trigger anyone to do unbelievable act, is to feel that he is under so much pressure without any just, without anyone to listen to them, without him expressing himself and saying what he's feeling about what's happening.

TONY JONES: It's an extraordinarily harsh response to something that many people in this country have felt throughout its history - let's put it that way. From the days of its inception as a convict colony. So, it's an astonishing thing to hear you say that.

SHEIKH MOHAMMED OMRAN: Well, this is a fact and if you go back through history you'll find that every nation being destroyed, it was destroyed within itself because of the main elements was the unjust system they worked with.

TONY JONES: Alright, let me ask you one last question because we're nearly out of time. I mean, the Government maintains that if people do have these motivations in Australia,it's nothing to do with the war in Iraq. It sounds like you agree with them.

SHEIKH MOHAMMED OMRAN: Yes, I agree with them, yes.

Monday, November 14, 2005 1:02:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

With similar sentiments gaining traction across the Atlantic (talks of impeachement), one can't help but wonder what is really going on here. How quickly the fortunes have shifted for Bush and Bair?

And if there is any tangiable development, how long will Howard be able to avoid being implicated by association.

Monday, November 14, 2005 1:25:00 pm  
Blogger Ian Westmore said...

The head of Canada's Secret Intilligence Service recently said:

"the main terror threat facing Canada comes from radicalized Canadians. And he says CSIS has seen Iraq cause that radicalization in real cases. (my emphasis)
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/10/31/csis051031.html

If Iraq is causing radicalization of muslim youth in a country that has played no part that illegal war, then how much greater must the effect be in one that was involved from the very beginning?

Nor, AFAIK, does Canada doesn't have the same history of abusing Muslims that we have.

Monday, November 14, 2005 4:14:00 pm  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

You all should step back and look at how, essentially, you are excusing terrorism...instead of whinging about what government did what and why do they hate us, maybe ask what the hell is wrong with a culture that sees domestic terrorism as a legitimate means of having their grievances addressed?

Monday, November 14, 2005 5:15:00 pm  
Blogger Ian Westmore said...

Probably the same thing that sees some cultures using aerial bombardment, artillery, tanks, warships, cruise missiles, trained soldiers, illegal imprisonment and torture as a legitimate means of addressing its perceived grievences?

Isn't it written in the Old Testament that those who live by the sword are destined to die by it?

Monday, November 14, 2005 5:35:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Making the point in pictures (David Pope/Heinrich Hinze):

http://www.scratch.com.au/arc49/46099small.jpg

http://www.scratch.com.au/47019small.jpg

Monday, November 14, 2005 9:59:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Excellent point Ian. What is terrorism but a poor man's warfare?

Do you believe Shab, that if the "terrorists" had cruise missiles or Apache helicopters at their disposal, that they wouldn't use them? Would they continue to opt for suicide bombimg missions if they had aricraft carriers, jet fighters and cluster bombs?

And if they did indeed have access to these weapons, would you even continue to call these people terrorists, or a rogue state? How far is a rogue state from being a legitimate one?

What defines a terrorist, but their inability to wreak destruction on a large enough scale.

Tuesday, November 15, 2005 12:57:00 am  
Blogger Davo said...

Don't mention the war...

To be serious it seems that our involvement in East Timor, our tourism in Bali and the hosting of the Olympic games in Australia have also all contributed to our status of terrorist target.

Friday, November 18, 2005 6:30:00 pm  

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