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Saturday, November 12, 2005

The pro-life man

Noam Chomsky, Haaretz, November 10:

"...Elections are carefully contrived so that they are like selling toothpaste. In fact, they're run by the same people who sell toothpaste. I mean when you turn on an ad on television, you don't expect to get any information. You expect deception. That's the point. Only economists talk about markets. Business can't tolerate markets. They don't want markets in which informed consumers make rational choices. What they want is deluded consumers who will make irrational choices. That's what hundreds of billions of dollars in advertising are spent on. You don't get any information about the product."

A fascinating interview, read the whole piece.

42 Comments:

Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Noam just now discovered this? And you think this bromide is fascinating?

No wonder people think Noam is over rated.

He should stick to his antisemitism. It appears that it is his forte.

Saturday, November 12, 2005 3:34:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Ah ibra,
your cluelessness continues to amuse.
look, an anti-semite under the bed. and look, another one, over there, everywhere. they're taking over. what you doing do?

Saturday, November 12, 2005 3:38:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

And why did you come out from under the bed? Noam is a well known antisemite. He should stick with it rather then venture out into areas where he is pretty clueless, like you.

This latest is old news.

Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:44:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
"Noam just now discovered this?"

Hardly. Chomsky has been banging on about the nature of capitalism viewed by and large through a quasi-Marxist (probably better described as an 'intitutionalist' perspective) since the 1970s. And his assertions that the 'vision' of a web of interconnected competitive markets a la neoclassical (and Hayekian) economics is an idealist fantasy are not even necessarily 'eft wing' either! Look, for example, as Schumpeter (you don't get more right-wing that this) has to say in his justifiably famous chapter on Creative Destruction.

Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:50:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
"And why did you come out from under the bed? Noam is a well known antisemite."

How so? He has never professed hatred of Jews as an ethnic group.

Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:53:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Chomsky mentioned something interesting about the way free markets are perceived in the US vs Australia. Drug companies in the US wer complaining about restricrive regulations in Oz, on the grounds that we have laws against false advertising. The US drug companies are complaining that this limits their ability to market their product.

I think that's pretty profound.

Sunday, November 13, 2005 3:00:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Eddie - Noam has never actually stated that he hates Jews? You have to be Hitler, the Mufti of Jerusalem, or Lincoln Rockwell before you can be label as antisemitic?

What is profound about addamo is his ability to stop before he gets to the actual point. It appears that the drug company wanted a fair platying field, at least in the advertising arena.

Sunday, November 13, 2005 3:51:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
Eddie - Noam has never actually stated that he hates Jews?

Please supply the quotes from Chomsky where he states that he hates Jews. If you can't, then you simply prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are a straight up-&-down liar, liar with your pants on fire.

Mmmm - smell that smoke.

Sunday, November 13, 2005 4:18:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Ibraham, your accusations of antisemitism are of no consequence to anyone, because you move the goalposts on the meaning like they were shopping trolleys.

Noam is accused of antimsemitism by those who disagree with him, but are unable to refute him with reasoning. They say patriotism is the refuge of a scoundrel. Perhaps ther is an equivalent stament about antisemitism.

Sunday, November 13, 2005 4:40:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Eddie, supply the quotes that prove you actually read the reply to your previous asinine comment.

If you can't, then you simply prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are a straight up-&-down idiot.

Addamo - you just proved my accusations of antisemitism are of consequence to everyone, because the goalposts have never moved.

Sunday, November 13, 2005 10:37:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Your disconect from reality seems to be widening by the day my friend. I am becomming concerned for you.

You seem oblivious to how compulsively you use the term "everyone" in your posts. There appears to be a conviction that you speak for all the other people on this list, in spite of the fact that just about everyone disagrees with you. A minor detail I know. Picky picky.

On the other hand, maybe you mean what you say, only that the "everyone" you are referring to are the imaginary friends you invented as a child.

That would certainly explain a great deal your stiffled mental and emotional maturity.

Sunday, November 13, 2005 12:14:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
Eddie, supply the quotes that prove you actually read the reply to your previous asinine comment.

To be anti-semitic you have to say or do anti-semitic things. Chomsky mainly just SAYS things, so let's focus on that.

Now, I know in your book to be anti-semitic one merely has to say something - anything at all. I, however, am asking for something that a NORMAL human being could look at and say, "Yep, that's anti-semitic alright." Please supply the quotes from Chomsky that would achieve this result.

BTW: I like my Ibrahamavic shorts 'medium', so could you not leave them on the barbecue for too long?

Sunday, November 13, 2005 11:12:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Disconnect from reality? Your friend? You are the one suffering from delusions. Cumpulsive use of the word "everyone"?

Your very comments betray your sickness. But I don't care what you suffer.

Perhaps now you can get back to the post instead of straying toward inane personal comments.

Sunday, November 13, 2005 11:16:00 pm  
Blogger Pete's Blog said...

Anyway concerning Chomsky's non-semitic contributions to modern thought. They are vast.

Much of what he says I disagree with eg what he said about US bombing causing Cambodians to kill Cambodians was crap.

But his ability to raise the level of political and intellectual debate in the US is all too rare and should be cherished.

Monday, November 14, 2005 1:01:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

i completely agree Gigolo, Chomsky has influenced so many people and opened their minds to the nature of the MSM.
Yes, Ibraham, I agree, let's get back to the topic.

So in reference to Edward's question, please supply the quotes from Chomsky that would prove he's antisemitic. If what you say has any validity, I'm sure we would all want to know and Chomsky's dark leanings.

Monday, November 14, 2005 3:19:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

In reference to eddies question, he did not ask for quotes proving Noam's antisemitism. And that has nothing to do with the article.

My initial statement is that the entire story was on old ideas. Nothing new to contribute, and that Noam's forte, antisemitism, is more interesting than old economic theory. But neither are actually worth discussing.

Monday, November 14, 2005 10:24:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Agreed that the article itself does not have anythng to do with anti-semitism.

Your reluctance, Ibraham, to be more specific to as to what proves Chomsky is an anti-semite, suggests your charge is based on second hand assumptions about him.

By all means, indulge us with your case.

Monday, November 14, 2005 1:02:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

My reluctance? Or eddie's lunacy? There is no need to answer a lunatics question. Indulge yourself.

Perhaps if you'll reread eddie's asinine challange?

And you still have proven and offered nothing in the way of credentials.

Monday, November 14, 2005 2:16:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Fine. Let's drop credentials, but unless you can provide quotes form Chomsky's works that prove is an anti-semite, your accusations are naught.

As they say in Australia, put up or shut up.

Monday, November 14, 2005 2:24:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav: if you have some statements by Chomsky showing that he is an anti-semite, don't you think it is your DUTY as a SUPPOSED fighter of anti-semitism to supply those quotes to everyone as quickly as you can.

By refusing to do so, you merely further confirm the Theory that you are in fact an anti-semite because either (1) Chomsky is an anti-semite and you are protecting him by hiding his anti-semitic statements, or (2) you just hate Jews like Chomsky. Which type of anti-semite are you, Ibrahamav?

Monday, November 14, 2005 2:45:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Addamo - let me repeat the prvious post since you find it so difficult to read on your own. Imagine this being spoken to you loudly and slowly so that you might understand it.

"In reference to eddies question, he did not ask for quotes proving Noam's antisemitism. And that has nothing to do with the article."

Tuesday, November 15, 2005 12:13:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Eddie, my duty is fulfilled. You have been proven to have antisemitic leanings. All here now know. They may do what they wish with the knowledge.

Tuesday, November 15, 2005 12:14:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

As we suspected Eddie, Ibraham has nuttin. As often happens when you are losing an argument, you pretend there isn't.

Now I indertsnad why you are incapable or reasoned argument - you have accute dislecia am I right? For your benefit, Eddie states, "DUTY as a SUPPOSED fighter of anti-semitism to supply those QUOTES to everyone as quickly as you can."

And Ibraham, with your statement "All here now know", you again you pretend to speak to an audience that hasn't collectively concluded that you're a pathological idiot.

Tuesday, November 15, 2005 12:38:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Addamo, as you haven't the wit nor education to suspect, your deduction is meaningless.

And the last thing a fighter of antisemitism requires is an antisemite trying to tell him his duty.

LMAO. As if anything you've concluded actually has any meaning.

Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:31:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
"Eddie, my duty is fulfilled. You have been proven to have antisemitic leanings."

What? Your duty is fulfilled by "exposing" little ol' me as having anti-semitic LEANINGS (g~d, not even a fully fledged anti-semite, apparently), while simultaneously letting that giant fish Noam Chomsky completely off the hook? Where are your priorities? We're talking NOAM BLOODY CHOMSKY here! Don't fail us now, O Nazi Hunter! Please O please, bring us the quotes of that demon-spawn that we may finally smite him and hail to the heavens the glorious virtues of Saint* Ibrahamav, Guardian of the Quotes!


* Honourary saint. May be revoked at any time. Batteries not included.

Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:49:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

You are obviosuly getting quite desperate Ibraham. Nowhere to turn you poor dear?

What is so difficult about answering Edwards challenge? Are you worried you may not be up to it? One would have thought that with your mouthy, superficially precocious and ultimately childish ramblings, that you would have at least somethign up your sleeve.

As Edward said, we're all counting on you to disect Chomsky before our very eyes.

Tuesday, November 15, 2005 12:04:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Edward has trouble counting his toes. Funny how addamo apes eddie. Could they be the same?

So eddie has changed his tune? He no longer asks the original question? The stupid question wherein he was blown out of the water?

And addamo, whose credentials were exposed is his backup?

Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:16:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Results 1 - 10 of about 17,000 for chomsky antisemite. (0.18 seconds)

Results 1 - 10 of about 23,000 for chomsky antisemitic. (0.21 seconds)

Results 1 - 10 of about 79,900 for chomsky hates Jews. (0.24 seconds)

Do your own reading. Come to whatever screwed up conclution you wish to. I'm not here to educate you, just expose you.

And that has been done.

Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:21:00 pm  
Blogger Danny Yee said...

There are 16 million results for "illegal occupation of the west bank", are you suggesting that proves something?

Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:21:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Nice one Danny,

You just exposed this fraud and liar.

Only Ibraham, who demnds evidence from others, would use Google to support his own arguments. A person who substitutes mindless and immature stubbornness for any rational thought.

The only thing that exposed is what a waste of time it is trying to hold a conversation with you.

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 12:40:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Danny, I'm suggesting that the tag-team idiots read for themselves. I'm not here to work for them, especially when Eddie keeps changing the question.

Seems you lied there - Results 1 - 10 of about 677 for "illegal occupation of the west bank".

But here's this tidbit - Results 1 - 10 of about 1,850,000 for there is no illegal occupation of the west bank. (0.21 seconds)

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 12:45:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Here's another for our "16 million" man.

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,840,000 for legal occupation of the west bank. (0.20 seconds)

Legally occupied? By it's owner, Israel. Go figure. Just like I occupy my home.

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 1:27:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Good one mate,

Avoiding the Chomsky argument at all cost. Sore loser.

jewish aggression - 2,070,000
jewish conspiracy - 3,730,000

You see Ibraham, Google is antisemitic too. No wonder an anti semite like you loves to use it.

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 1:38:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Avoiding what? When you lose, you change the question. I'm not playing that game.

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 3:54:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

the quesrion was asked at the beginning of the thread. Provide a quote from Chomsky that proives his anti-semitic leanings.

You avoided the challenge a dozen times and then spat out some meaningless stats from Google.

Run you coward, run.

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 4:02:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Run? Run where? Run to an area where retards attempt to formulate questions prior to reading a post?

Whatever you did, eddie did not ask that question at the beggining of the thread. Perhaps you'll reread what he wrote.

Perhaps you'll pull your head out of your ass. Who knows? Perhaps the horse will talk.

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 4:30:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

So what relevance is it that Eddie didn't ask the quesrion right away? You are just making rediculous excuses to avoid the debate. It's what policians do when they are caught lying.

You were the first to post and you make the accusation against Chomsky.

Here is the quote: "Please supply the quotes from Chomsky where he states that he hates Jews. If you can't, then you simply prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are a straight up-&-down liar, liar with your pants on fire."

What is so difficult abotu provising evidence of your belief that Chomsky is an antisemite?

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 4:53:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Didn't ask the question right away? He didn't ask the question you are asking at all! And the question he asked was answered with another question. Which he failed to answer.

If you wish to be a dog who laps up his master's mistakes go for it. But don't bother me with the scraps.

You have to go back to his first question, and then the answer he was given.

And Chomsky is a well known antisemite.

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 5:19:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Sorry Ibraham, but that pathetic effort doesn't wash.

It's useless detbating you. You are not here to contribute to the discussion, but just trolling to waste people's time.

I took you for someone who had something worthwhile to say. How foolish of me,

C ya.

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 5:29:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

What pathetic effort and what debate? You've done nothing but show your ass. The only question you were actually asked was left unanswered.

A simple question that required a simple answer. Nothing to do with opinion or subtleties. It was asked when you presented your phony credentials.

Are you gone yet? Good.

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:41:00 am  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Hey Ibrahamav, are you still trolling around on the Middle East Open Forum or did they kick you out for being so obnoxious?

Friday, November 18, 2005 2:15:00 pm  
Blogger Davo said...

We I guess with advertising you expect to hear only the good points of the product placed within the most favourable context possible.

However outright false advertising is actually illegal, even though a certain amount of puffery is tolerated by the law.

Friday, November 18, 2005 6:12:00 pm  

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