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Monday, November 14, 2005

Deluding themselves

The Melbourne Age reflects on the Israel/Palestine peace process and manages to avoid mentioning the occupation:

"It is increasingly clear that Israeli and Palestinian members of the moderate mainstream, who long for peace and accept each other's right to statehood, must stand together against extremists on both sides. These peace partners must marginalise the rejectionists - some of whom will stop at nothing to sabotage a settlement that will require pragmatic and painful compromises. While realignments are taking place in Israeli and Palestinian society, let there be no mistake: a crucial dividing line runs through both. It is the line between those with the vision to work together for peace and the blind ideologues who will never see that the human costs of their conflict are simply intolerable."

"Every Western pundit or official who pontificates about Palestinian terrorism", wrote Edward Said in 2001, "needs to ask how forgetting the fact of the occupation is supposed to stop terrorism."

7 Comments:

Blogger Pete said...

Tis true Shab. There's plenty happening in Lebanon and Iraq to continue a western-Arab/Islam confrontation

I think the points made in Age article are so old as to be irrelevant.

Moderation is the last thing that is going to win in the Israeli/Palestine struggle. There is too much religious justification and more importantly, money poring in, to encourage continuation and more killing.

Monday, November 14, 2005 12:06:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

There is absolutely no reason to believe that returning the borders would likely reduce or remove the hostility towards Israel itself.

Since there is absolutely no reason to believe it, there is absolutely no reason to do it.

Monday, November 14, 2005 2:14:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Addamo has proved his lack of an education when he states that "That's prtty blinkered, when the crisis is about disputed territory."

Eddie - What borders do you speak of? I advocate defensible borders. It is not up to me to dictate to israel what they might be, but it is insane to listen to the advice of an antisemite like you in the same regard.

Tuesday, November 15, 2005 12:10:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

You are referring to the said lines as borders. There are no actual borders other than the Jordan separating Jordan fron Israel. And the lines separating Syria and lebanon from Israel, And the line separating Egypt from Israel.

There are no legally sanctioned borders at this time and UN resolution 242 recognizes that.

But an antisemite like eddie wouldn't know from things like that.

You may pull all of the positions you wish out of that ever expanding ass of yours. But nothing makes any of them correct.

Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:10:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

That you're an ass? No. You already knew that.

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 12:41:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Don't wonder. You'll only sprain what is left of your feeble mind.

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 2:29:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Israel didn't leave gaza in order to reduce violence. It appears that the particular arab islamic mindset of the terrorists running that area don't consider that a reason to calm down.

Israel left to consolidate forces to better protect the citizens living in Judea and Samaria.

When the security barrier is complete, they can dismantle the check points and declare the next arab state.

Saturday, November 19, 2005 3:54:00 am  

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