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Monday, December 05, 2005

Safe haven

The Sydney Morning Herald makes a startling yet unsurprising discovery:

"Men suspected of terrible war crimes remain free in Australia for years while other asylum seekers, innocent of everything except arriving illegally, are being locked up or fast-tracked out of the country.

"One of Saddam Hussein's former personal bodyguards, Oday Adnan Al Tekriti, has been given temporary safe haven after initially being refused a visa when the Department of Immigration found there were serious reasons to consider he had committed crimes against humanity."

Sadly, Australia has long been a haven for war criminals, starting with Nazis after World War II. Author Mark Aarons published, "War criminals, welcome" in 2001. He painted a picture of successive governments either unwilling or incapable of prosecuting war criminals. Aarons explained on ABC Lateline in 2001:

"Most of the war criminals who settled in Australia were not Germans or Austrians. They were people from Central and Eastern Europe, from the Ukraine, the Baltic States, the central European countries of Czechoslovakia, Croatia and Serbia.

"There's no doubt at all over the last 10-12 years, a significant number, dozens, probably well over 100, senior Afghan war criminals have emigrated to Australia."

War criminals are welcome in Australia.


Blogger Shabadoo said...

Now wait a second - these might not be war criminals; let's wait until we hear from Noam Chumpsky first!

The great irony is that the Herald is outraged by this yet also manages to be furious about locking illegals up to check their histories and identities before releasing them into the wider community.

Monday, December 05, 2005 10:37:00 am  
Blogger Ian Westmore said...

Well of course war criminals are welcome here. The country is being run by war criminals!

Judged by the Nuremberg precedent, the most senior members of our government and military themselves appears to have a case to answer on at least Count 2: Waging Aggressive War, or "Crimes Against Peace" - including "the planning, preparation, initiation, and waging of wars of aggression, which were also wars in violation of international treaties, agreements, and assurances."

If they knowingly 'sexing up' the reasons for invading Iraq then Count 1: Conspiracy to Wage Aggressive War would also apply.

And if any prisoners initially captured by Australian military personnel were later abused in Abu Graib etc, then a case could be made for trying them on Count 3: War crimes.

Nor should we forget the illegalities committed in the detention centres.

Monday, December 05, 2005 11:02:00 am  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

Leftist logic:

John Howard = dictator and war criminal who should be removed from office and banged up in jail

Saddam Hussein* = dictator and war criminal who should have been allowed to stay in power while resolution after resolution was passed against him at the UN (but who is, oh yeah, anti-American)

* Saddam Hussein, Fidel Castro, Ho Chi Minh, Mao Tse-Tung, etc...

Monday, December 05, 2005 12:35:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

"* Saddam Hussein, Fidel Castro, Ho Chi Minh, Mao Tse-Tung, etc..."

I noticed you forgot to mention Hitler and Stalin. Probably becasue they have white faces.

How is it that right wingers hardly ever get things right?

Monday, December 05, 2005 2:01:00 pm  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

Sorry for my sin of ommission...shoulda mentioned Stalin...and Lenin...and all the other Soviet leaders lefties have had a collective hard-on for over the years.

Fidel Castro, not to get semantic, was pretty white and from a privileged Spanish family if I recall correctly (doctor's son?)

Despite the Left's affection for anti-Semitism, environmentalism, government control of industry, smoking restrictions, and a host of other lovely ideas, y'all haven't really adopted Hitler, though. Even a busted clock is right once a day!!

Here's one thing the right gets right (so to speak): winning votes and holding power. No wonder you mob are so distrustful of democracy.

Monday, December 05, 2005 5:59:00 pm  
Blogger Ian Westmore said...

Shabadoo wrote...

Leftist logic:

John Howard = dictator

As you wrote this, not me, I can only assume you are outing yourself as a "Leftist"

and war criminal who should be removed from office and banged up in jail

Isn't that what should happen to all war criminals? Or should only those you don't like face justice?

Saddam Hussein* = dictator and war criminal who should have been allowed to stay in power while resolution after resolution was passed against him at the UN (but who is, oh yeah, anti-American)

I can only influence what happens in my country. It was up to Iraqis to deal with their war criminals.

And yes, if there had been a collective will to remove him, he would have been, just as the Communists were removed in Russia. Saddam's setup was nothing compared to the power available to the Soviet regime, but they were turfed out with hardly a shot being fired.

Romanias dictator Nicolae Ceausescu was a more ruthless man than Saddam, yet when the people decided he had to go, he did. Only 6 shots were fired. Three into him, 3 into his even more hated wife.

OTOH, Howard et al's, war crimes have cost the lives of untold thousands with the strong probability that Iraqis will end up being no better off than they were under Saddam. Even the caretaker regime has started torturing its citizens!

BTW-please explain to me the difference between Saddam having villagers shot after some tried to assassinated him, and what happened in Falluja last year?

Monday, December 05, 2005 6:56:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

"Here's one thing the right gets right (so to speak): winning votes and holding power."

So who's distrustful of democracy? Can you say Allende, Moosadegh, Torrijos, Aquino, Aristide, etc etc.

Shab, you nee to get bac to studying your talking points.

When ever right wing nutters who claim to want democracy for all are confronted with the fact that Chavez has been the most democratically elected leader in the world, the standard reponse is that Hitler was also democratically elected.

What does it feel like to suffer collective schizophrenia?

Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:37:00 am  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

Really? Yeah, Chavez's latest elections have gone down a treat, what with boycotts by opposition parties, tiny turnout, etc...

Tuesday, December 06, 2005 8:20:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Tiny turnouts meaning what exactly Shab? Opposition parties who are financed by Washington boycotting meaning what Shab?

I thought you at least had a modicum of intelligence Shab. You are truly pathetic.

Guess you didn't hear about the Ohio counties that recorded more votes for Bush than were registered in the whol county. Or how Kenneth Blackwell rejected absentee votes becasue they were cubmitted on the wrong grade of paper. Or the voting stationg that evacuated observers after a terrorist alert, then locked them out while the voting continued.

Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:04:00 am  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Don't confuse little Shab with facts.
The US says Chavez is evil, so it must so.
Free thinking requires facts...

Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:30:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Yeah Shab must be reading thsoe news items bought and paid for by the Pentagon.

Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:33:00 am  
Blogger Ian Westmore said...

Addamo_01 wrote...

Yeah Shab must be reading those news items bought and paid for by the Pentagon.

Oh, he reads the Daily Telegraph/Herald Sun/Courier-Mail/Advertiser/Mercury, does he? ;-^)

Tuesday, December 06, 2005 3:31:00 pm  

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