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Sunday, January 15, 2006

As an anti-Zionist

As an anti-Zionist Australian Jew, the opportunity to air my views to a wide public audience are few. My forthcoming book on Israel, Zionism and the Australian Jewish community, various articles and this blog are just the beginning of what I believe is an essential re-framing of the debate. Although vitriol follows anyone who dares challenge the right of Jews to live in a country that claims to be secular - but is in fact a land dictated by religiously-based doctrine and racial exceptionalism - the last years have seen an important shift in the worldwide perception of the Jewish state. Zionists know and fear it.

Blind supporters of Israel claim that "legitimate" criticism of Israel is acceptable, yet never define what they mean. This is a deliberate ploy to neuter ever-growing international pressure. The charge of "anti-Semitism" is wearing thin, and indeed is contributing to an environment where true anti-Semitism is both ignored and even excused. How can a country that claims to be a democracy maintain an ongoing and brutal occupation over another people? As leading Israeli journalist Gideon Levy told me last year:

"When you drive a road in the West Bank which is a road for only Jews, what is it if not apartheid? When you cross a checkpoint which is only open for Jews, what is it if not apartheid? If you are an Israeli citizen of Palestinian origin who tries to find in this liberal neighbourhood an apartment to rent, and you have terrible difficulties doing so because you are Palestinian, what is it if not apartheid?"

It is within this context that I will be appearing on SBS television on January 16 at 9pm, debating Israel, Zionism and the future chances for peace. "Speaking in Tongues" aims to highlight issues related to religion and is hosted by shit-stirrer John Safran and Father Bob. In this noble tradition, I'll be debating Australian "comedian" Austen Tayshus. [It should be noted that he called me many times last year and harassed me over my anti-Zionist views.]

It was an interesting shoot last week in Melbourne. Other guests on the show included a satanist, Messianic Jew and Orthodox, Jewish doctor who specialises in diabetes and stem-cell research.

Austen Tayshus and I "debated" for around 25 minutes, though viewers will only see a roughly six minute edited version. Father Bob stayed relatively silent throughout while Safran attempted to inject a moderating voice. Tayshus, aka Sandy Gutman, is a confused figure. Serious one minute and playful the next, he is perhaps the worst advocate Zionism could ever have. Long may he prosper.

He thinks that by shouting and bullying his opponents, supporters of Israel will rally to his cause. He suggested that the occupation was coming to an end - despite overwhelming evidence proving the exact opposite - and that Israelis had no real desire to occupy another people. The fact that every majority political party since 1967 has both supported and encouraged the settler movement was easily forgotten. The recent Gaza withdrawal was simply a strategic decision to maintain large blocs across the West Bank, making a truly contiguous and functioning Palestinian state next to impossible.

Gutman, not unlike many Zionists, thinks that mentioning the "Holocaust" will convince doubters that a Jewish state is essential to worldwide Jewish survival. It may explain an emotional connection to Israel - and virtually all Jewish families, including my own, lost people in the Shoah - but cannot mask what Zionism has become. Avraham Burg, speaker of Israel's Knesset in 1999-2003 and a former chairman of the Jewish Agency for Israel, put it best in 2003:

"The Zionist revolution has always rested on two pillars: a just path and an ethical leadership. Neither of these is operative any longer. The Israeli nation today rests on a scaffolding of corruption, and on foundations of oppression and injustice. As such, the end of the Zionist enterprise is already on our doorstep. There is a real chance that ours will be the last Zionist generation. There may yet be a Jewish state here, but it will be a different sort, strange and ugly.

""It turns out that the 2,000-year struggle for Jewish survival comes down to a state of settlements, run by an amoral clique of corrupt lawbreakers who are deaf both to their citizens and to their enemies. A state lacking justice cannot survive. More and more Israelis are coming to understand this as they ask their children where they expect to live in 25 years. Children who are honest admit, to their parents' shock, that they do not know. The countdown to the end of Israeli society has begun.

"Israel, having ceased to care about the children of the Palestinians, should not be surprised when they come washed in hatred and blow themselves up in the centres of Israeli escapism. They consign themselves to Allah in our places of recreation, because their own lives are torture. They spill their own blood in our restaurants in order to ruin our appetites, because they have children and parents at home who are hungry and humiliated. We could kill a thousand ringleaders a day and nothing will be solved, because the leaders come up from below - from the wells of hatred and anger, from the "infrastructures" of injustice and moral corruption."

Burg's desperation was palpable. Zionists can continue defending the indefensible and justify the imprisonment of an entire people, but the world no longer believes them. And I think it is a Jewish responsibility, perhaps more than others, to speak out. I gather strength from brave Jews such as Amira Hass, Gideon Levy and Norman Finkelstein who, despite constant threats, continue revealing the true nature of 21st century Zionism.

Jews like Gutman prefer to use emotion over reason. That is their right. But they cannot be surprised when a growing number of Jews are speaking out against a nation that, despite its own tortured history, actively promotes the dispossession of another people.

59 Comments:

Blogger Melanie said...

"When you drive a road in the West Bank which is a road for only Jews"

That is also the lie that Noam Chompsky said in his debate with Alan Dershowitz. He then had to retract it and admit that it was an Israeli only road - every thing to do with security and absolutely nothing to do with aparteid. So stop the lying Antony.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:57:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Pray tell the difference. An Israeli-only road only for...Jews. I've seen them and been on them. What exactly is unclear? There comes a time, and that time is now, that Israeli actions simply cannot be justified as "security". Perhaps you aren't ready for those truths.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:05:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Indeed. It's telling that Dershowitz insisted on correcting Chomsky's terminology but did not find any fault with the purpose of the road.

You really are clutching at straws Melanie.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:18:00 pm  
Blogger Melanie said...

Israeli only roads for any Israeli what ever ethnic background or religion. You were on them and your a Jew. Proof that they're Jewish only..wrong.
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_article=1016&x_context=2

But why let facts get in the way when your trying to make your claim about aparthied.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:26:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

It is unfortunate that you will had to face off with Austen Tayshus (Sandy the wannabe) because he is such a bitter and vitrolic bastard. I know the guy and you are probably aware, he just tries to shout you down and drown you out.

The thing with Austen Tayshus is that he is so predictable. I can;t believ that SBS woudl even give that guy the time of day. One just need let him give his histrical diatribe and he is guaranteed to oatracise his audience.

I wish I were there to see the debate, btu alas, I'm working overseas.

Best of luck with everything. You are an inspiration.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:29:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Melanie,

You left this part out

"In fact, while there are roads prohibited to Palestinians in the West Bank, there are no "Jewish-only roads."

So one needs to provide proof that one is not Palesitnian to use the roads? Hardly an improvement. I can't see to many Eguyptians, Lbanese, Syrians or Jordanians using the roads.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:33:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Thanks Addamo. You will be able to watch the show, via streaming, in the coming days. Hold that thought and I'll post the link on my blog.
As for Austen, Safran wanted some 'controversy', so pretty predictable really. Tayshus is hilariously belligerant, and convinces no-one. Moreover, he wores dark sunglasses the whole interview. That's a why to inspire people.
As for the roads issue, even Austen admitted that Jewish-only roads was unacceptable. No doubt allowing women to die while giving birth at Israeli checkpoints is based on security concerns, too.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:46:00 pm  
Blogger Melanie said...

addamo, there is a big difference especially when you are trying to prove apartheid 20% of Isaelis are Arabs for starters. The point your trying to make about people from the surrounding countries using the roads is a bit odd.

You don't need to provide any more proof than having Israeli number plates. Hardly and improvement? That's right. The Palestinians' right to kill Jews is being infringed upon.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:54:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Thanks AL,

Look forward to the link. God, I Sandy stil doing the sunglasses routine? That guy has not changed in 20 years.

His live shows have become so sad. I hve not seen one yet were audience members end up walking out due to his vulgarity or bitterness.

It sounds like he was more reasonable than I expected.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:59:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

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Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:04:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Melanie,

"You don't need to provide any more proof than having Israeli number plates."

Seems like a pretty lax form of security. Israeli number plates is no guarantee that the occupants are not Palesitinian, that the car is not solen or the plates forged.

Anyway, if Israeli number plates are the requirement, does it not deny access to everyone but Israelis, and perhaps visitors driving rented vehicles?

There is no denying that security is a primary concenr in Israel, but as we are seeing in the US, with propals to even ban protests, security can be used to justify anythying.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:05:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

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Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:08:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Addamo,
Where are you based now and what are you doing?

Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:16:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Neo,

There is no way to describe, let alone justify what you have just described.

Just imagine the desperation these people must be facing to consider such an option?

Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:16:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

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Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:18:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Hi AL,

I'm based in Montreal at the moment, working in 3D animation. I've been here for a few years now. It's interesting looking at the perspectives one gets here via the media (so close to the US) compared to Australia.

These days, it really is of no consequence I guess, seeing as the net is the only viable source of news anyway.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:30:00 pm  
Blogger violet said...

They spill their own blood in our restaurants in order to ruin our appetites, because they have children and parents at home who are hungry and humiliated. We could kill a thousand ringleaders a day and nothing will be solved, because the leaders come up from below - from the wells of hatred and anger, from the "infrastructures" of injustice and moral corruption."

No Antony, read your history. They spill their blood because they are a primitive and barbaric society that operates on an honour and shame basis. To your own peril you blame the Jews for everything. When a young Palestinian girl was recently murdered by her own mother in Gaza because her two brothers had raped her, was this the Jews fault?
Or could it be that Palestinian society is very very sick?
The exceedingly high rate of birth defects amongst Palestinians is because of incest. And a woman cannot report such a crime herself -- it has to be a man. Fat chance!
You do them and the Jews a great injustice by blaming the Zionists for everything. You continually interpret Arab society through the eyes of a Westerner. It's simply idiotic.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:54:00 pm  
Blogger violet said...

And this is what happens when you give them a little bit of land back... hey why not let them turn all of Israel into a primitive. lawless society.

JERUSALEM - Dozens of Palestinian gunmen, including off-duty policemen, blocked two major roads in the Gaza Strip for more than an hour Saturday in the latest sign of chaos gripping the area ahead of Jan. 25 elections.

With the violence bolstering Hamas’ prospects in the legislative election, U.S. officials warned Saturday that millions of dollars of aid could be in jeopardy if the militant Islamic group joins the Palestinian government. Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas said Hamas’ participation in the government was “not an American issue.”

The gunmen were demanding a government response to the killing of a policeman in a drug bust a week ago.

The protesters urged Abbas to impose order in Gaza. They also called for the resignation of Interior Minister Nasser Yousef, who oversees Palestinian security.

The plainclothes officers said they are members of the Al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, a militant group linked to Fatah.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:04:00 pm  
Blogger violet said...

By the way Antony...

Tim Blair has been checking out your grammar skills and has some useful suggestions for youhere

Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:11:00 pm  
Blogger CB said...

Pity we didn't get to see a bit more Gutman/Dreamboat controversy.

When's the book tour start Ant? I'm coming just for shits and giggles.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:12:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

Ant , sounds like you lucked out - they sent in an idiot to debate against you. Did you set this up?

I'll tune in, you better not let the chardonnay sippers down.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:31:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

Violet,
as I said before we're no longer interested in your boring list of Palestinian/arab incest & rape, waiting for the devouring of 2 year old sex slaves...

You quote Tim Blair as a critic of Loewenstein? What else is new - He and Margot Kingston are his bete noir (thats French) He's a good friend of Daniel Pipes - or always mentions him in fauning tones. So if a cocksuking whore of the Bush camp is being romanced by Blair, what does that make Blair? If he wasn't fond of dogs, I would say he was a complete failure.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:32:00 pm  
Blogger olivebranch said...

wow some people really get up tight the moment you post something a little controversial. You are correct here antony, its a commonly known fact that these roads exist.

I will watch you in action tommorow night on SBS I promise :) assuming it is on at 9:00 here in Perth aswell??

I will look in the tv guide anyways :)

keep on writing and don't let the commentors with their sometimes ridiculous comments or nitpicking get you down.

[olivebranch]

Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:52:00 pm  
Blogger Melanie said...

olivebranch: You are correct here antony, its a commonly known fact that these roads exist." - Wrong olive, it's common lie that Antony helps spread. Why I wonder if his case of apartheid is so strong he has to continue spreading lies? But of course this distinction between Israelis and Jews is just 'nit-picking.' So would it be nit-picking for Antony to get offended to being called an anti-Semite rather than an anti-Zionist?

Sunday, January 15, 2006 7:09:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

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Sunday, January 15, 2006 7:28:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

melanie,
you must have got the memos - don't listen to their "anti-zionist" crap any more, immediately call them anti-Semites. (Thats Semite with a capital "S")

I thought Ant was in the "Self Hating Jew" category.
There I said it. I'm sorry Ant , but the truth is the truth

Wait a minute, is this definition passe(French)? Come to think of it I haven't seen it for some time. Have I missed something? - I've been away/busy....

Sunday, January 15, 2006 7:31:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

I'm confused too. First, I'm anti-Semitic. Then I'm a self-hating Jew. Then I'm no better than a neo-Nazi. Any other labels, people? I'd like to add some to my ever-growing list.
This is fun...

Sunday, January 15, 2006 7:33:00 pm  
Blogger Melanie said...

Exactly my point Antony. See now your nit-picking. 'Jew/Israeli-only road', anti-Zionist/Semite - see how they are not so interchangable when it's directed against you.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 7:46:00 pm  
Blogger violet said...

Yes orang, I know you couldn't care less about the rape, murder and abuse of women and children in the Middle East. That is a sad reflection fo you and an indication of your own inadequacies. It doesn't say much for Antony that he allows your comments, as they really are disgusting.

As for Tim Blair, I linked to him because I -- and probably others who have a few more brain cells than you -- may enjoy his comments. If it bothers you don't read it. It's that simple.

I'm not responding to you any longer, so do me the courtesy of ignoring my posts. I find you repugnant, stupid and not worthy of debate.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 8:04:00 pm  
Blogger Drovers_Dog said...

I'm confused too. First, I'm anti-Semitic. Then I'm a self-hating Jew. Then I'm no better than a neo-Nazi. Any other labels, people? I'd like to add some to my ever-growing list.
This is fun...


You're not alone, these labels are designed to cast aspersion on the person to deflect from the argument. Israel Shamir get the same all the time. "Self Hating Jew" indeed.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 8:22:00 pm  
Blogger Melanie said...

drovers_dog: Israel Shamir (aka Adam Ermash & Joran Jermas)also gets labelled an anti-Semite from the Palestinian camp who try to distance themselves from such an obvious Jew-hater.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 8:50:00 pm  
Blogger CB said...

'As an anti-Zionist Australian Jew, the opportunity to air my views to a wide public audience are few.'

Television appearances on national TV, your own web site, a book about to be released. You just won't shut up about the fact that no-one listens, do you?

Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:05:00 pm  
Blogger Wilbourne said...

Antony always labels any and all supporters of Israel within the Oz Jewish community as Zionist. He can't see that he partakes in the same brand of imflammatory rhetoric that he accuses others of. In his eyes, Israel can do nothing right and all her positive steps have a dark undertone, and any Jew who dares say otherwise is a Zionist.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Stop throwing about rhetoric and you may see less in kind.

Stop acting like a pretentious wannabe martyr in the Jewish community, or better yet stop reminding everyone of how Jewish you are because it's not a defining factor in the validity of your opinions. I don't remind people at each turn about how I'm a Lebanese Christian because it doesn't add or subtract from what I have to say. Unfortunately you think otherwise, as if going against the grain in your community elevates your role beyond what it truly is.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 10:05:00 pm  
Blogger violet said...

I think the fact is that many fear someone will actually start listening to Antony. He is a traitor, an egomaniac and a dangerous man who is fighting to destroy his own people. What type of person could wish such a fate upon his own people?

I fear for the endangered Jewish people of Israel. I fear the lies and distortions that Antony spreads will bring about the death of the Jewish race. We know from the holocaust that it could happen. We know from current events that anti semitism is alive and kicking. And we know from Middle East history that the Arabs want the Jews pushed into the sea.

How incredibly tragic and demented that Antony is helping them to do this. It's all just so so sick.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:20:00 pm  
Blogger Wilbourne said...

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Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:54:00 pm  
Blogger Wilbourne said...

You attribute to him influence which he does not possess Violet. The existence of the state of Israel is beyond question, and there is no armed force in the world aside from the US who can change that.

Iran and the bomb mean nothing, an Iranian bomb won't be used against Israel lest they smote their precious Palestinians too. At first glance, I wouldn't put it past them as we all know that the Palestinians are to the Arab world what the global warming is to the Greens, nothing but a convenient rally cry to justify their diminishing place in the world.

We know the vision of the Iranian revolution is meant as a birth of the new caliphate. To even attempt to nuke Israel with their paltry payload, a strike that would probably fail, would mean the end of the Iranian nation as we know it and the loss of Tehran, and not even the craziest of Mullahs want that. The Iranian Bomb is meant to give them leverage in becoming a regional superpower and to boss around the Saudi's and others. Even the Arabs fear Iran gaing such a power.

Israel is secure.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:55:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Sorry AL, you really blew it on this one. Why are you losing your grip on reality? You have abandoned Judaism, yet insist on speaking as a Jew.

Your very arguments are ridiculous
"They spill their own blood in our restaurants in order to ruin our appetites, because they have children and parents at home who are hungry and humiliated."

Not because of hunger. Because of humiliation. Because these racist, fascist, bastards can't stand the idea that Jews own a piece of the Middle East. They can't live with the fact that we've kicked their asses in 5 wars.

Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:59:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

violet said...
“I think the fact is that many fear someone will actually start listening to Anthony. He is a traitor, an egomaniac and a dangerous man who is fighting to destroy his own people. What type of person could wish such a fate upon his own people?”

You’re an all or nothing person aren’t you Violet? Criticism of a land AL has no connection too (other than what you insist should be his home) makes him a traitor. The fact that AL has his own blog, writes books and also writes the occasional column for the SMH makes him an egomaniac. His championing the human rights of the Palestinians must mean that he is fighting to destroy his own people.

I can just imagine you Violet doing an ink blot test with a shrink.

Shrink: OK Violet, what do you see in this one?
Violet: A Muslim woman being pack raped by the men in her village.
Shrink: What about this one?
Violet: The remains of another woman from an honor killing
Shrink: This one?
Violet: A suicide bomber after he hit the switch
Shrink: This one?
Violet: The stain from a paint ball pellet shot by an anti-Semite.
Shrink: This one?
Violet: The stain from a paint ball pellet shot by a Jew
Shrink: How can you tell?
Violet: It’s shaped like a dove.

And Violet, seriously, do you think you can me any more melodramatic? “I fear for the endangered Jewish people of Israel. I fear the lies and distortions that Antony spreads will bring about the death of the Jewish race. We know from the holocaust that it could happen.”

Totally revealing. The word “fear” is what is key. Your beliefs are all based on fear. Do you actually hear yourself? Now you’re suggesting that AL’s words risk a repeat of the holocaust. I am trying to be objective here, but your credibility is dog’s breakfast when you make such ludicrous statements as these.

Or is it that you just want to shut down any debate on this matter Violet? Would that make you feel less fearful?

“We know from current events that anti Semitism is alive and kicking.”

Alive and kicking where exactly? In Iran? So what’s new?

Where is the alive and kicking anti-Semitism in the West? How many Jewish people were assaulted mast year in the US or Australia?

Monday, January 16, 2006 4:27:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Wilbourne said...
“ The existence of the state of Israel is beyond question, and there is no armed force in the world aside from the US who can change that.”
Absolutely correct.

“Iran and the bomb mean nothing, an Iranian bomb won't be used against Israel lest they smote their precious Palestinians too. At first glance, I wouldn't put it past them as we all know that the Palestinians are to the Arab world what the global warming is to the Greens, nothing but a convenient rally cry to justify their diminishing place in the world.”
Again you make a lot of sense. Israel and the US are half a century ahead of Iran in terms of weapons technology. What’s more, what evidence is there of Iranian aggression towards other countries? How many countries has it invaded or does it occupy?

“We know the vision of the Iranian revolution is meant as a birth of the new caliphate. To even attempt to nuke Israel with their paltry payload, a strike that would probably fail, would mean the end of the Iranian nation as we know it and the loss of Tehran, and not even the craziest of Mullahs want that. The Iranian Bomb is meant to give them leverage in becoming a regional superpower and to boss around the Saudi's and others. Even the Arabs fear Iran gaing such a power.”
Absolutely. And according to the Iranian.s so do Iranians.

Excellent post Willbourne. Finally somepne with common sense sets the record straight.

Monday, January 16, 2006 4:30:00 am  
Blogger orang said...

addamo_01
don't waste your breath on that one. His dad's bigger than your dad.

violet said...
"I think the fact is that many fear someone will actually start listening to Antony. He is a traitor, an egomaniac and a dangerous man who is fighting to destroy his own people. What type of person could wish such a fate upon his own people?"

I think many people are trying to shut up one of the few voices that offers another look apart from the prevailing (Israeli/US/Western) MSM perspective. - Which may give a more balanced vew of what is going on in the ME.

"He is a traitor"? ?...(Ant , is this like a fatwa issued against you?)

Monday, January 16, 2006 7:31:00 am  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

A fatwa? That's an interesting thought. Perhaps a rabbi can issue one? Sure, Jews don't really believe in such things, but why not start now?

Monday, January 16, 2006 9:25:00 am  
Blogger Jozef Imrich, Esq. said...

The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference.
The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference.
The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference.
And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference.
-Elie Wiesel (US News & World Report 27 October 1986)

You do try to make a difference and that is all that counts. I look forward to watching the SBS program.

Take care and do not let unreasonable comments upset you.

We all know that the road to Auschwitz was built by hate but paved with indifference.

When society forgets its mistakes, those mistakes are bound to repeat. As difficult as it is, the horror of the walls be it Iron Curtain or Middle East Curtain, has to be taught and has to be told and only then can we guard it from ever happening again ...

Monday, January 16, 2006 9:50:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Where is the alive and kicking anti-Semitism in the West? How many Jewish people were assaulted mast year in the US or Australia?

How many in Russia? How many in France? Why is the US and Australia held up as the bastion of western civilization?

Monday, January 16, 2006 3:40:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Do tell Ibraham? Am I supposed to know these figures?

Vilet and Melanie tell us that they live in fear day by day, that an angry mob will tkae them away to some concentration camp, and allude to evidence tghat this is somehow innevitable. Do you agree?

Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:36:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Yes, you are. If you don't, then you have no business acting as if there isn't any.

1000 years of History teaches them something you prefer to remain ignorant about while you offer Hitler some land to grow on.

Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:04:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

1000 years of History has nothing to do with the present. Let's forget the histerial ad hominems Ibraham and get back to facts shall we?

I keep hearing yourself, Violet and Melanie, and Zionists extremists like Abe Foxman, histerically trumpetting about the dangers that lurk around ever corner for Jews in the Western world. I dispute that and suggest that it is baseless until someone provides me with statistics that prove Jews are experiencing greater persecuted in the world and have been the target of specific threats in greater numebrs than any other enthic group.

Given the particular sensitivities of Western societies to Jewish persecution throughout history, I cannot see how this would be tolerated in any way.

Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:26:00 am  
Blogger Progressive Atheist said...

Tayshus, aka Sandy Gutman, is a confused figure. Serious one minute and playful the next, he is perhaps the worst advocate Zionism could ever have. Long may he prosper.

Congratulations on your appearance on Speaking in Tongues last night. It has inspired me to visit your blog. And congratulations on SBS for airing this topic.

I agree with your above quote 100%. Tayshus/Gutman is hypocritical, boorish and intimidating, and his constant speaking over the top of you on last night's show perfectly illustrates his and Zionism's war-like philosophy. I used to like him, especially since I saw him put down Pauline Hanson, but after last night's performance, I now can't stand him. I can still say I haven't met a Zionist I didn't dislike.

I hope the publication of your book goes well.

PS. How can Israel be a democracy when it doesn't even have a constitution?

Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:06:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

England is a democracy. In fact, it can be considered the father of constitutional democracy, yet it has no constitution.

And mnay tyrannies have beautiful constitutions. Even what passes for Palestinian government has a constitution.


So having a written constitution is not a requirement of a democracy. But you knew that.

Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:27:00 pm  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Thanks, Progressive, for the comments. I have some other reflections on the SBS show and will publish these in the coming days.

Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:37:00 pm  
Blogger Glenn Condell said...

'I think the fact is that many fear someone will actually start listening to Antony.'

Which is why all you anonymouse blowflies buzz in to throw shit all over the walls of the place. Ant and some of the regulars apend most of their time cleaning up after you. How many of you are affiliated with AIPAC?

Good post Ant.

Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:34:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

The great irony in all this is that SBS rates AL's thoughts on geopolitics at the level of a passe third rate RSL act. ;)

Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:58:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

Ibrahamav said...
"How many Jewish people were assaulted mast year in the US or Australia?"

For Australia, I turn to the Executive Council of Australian Jewry (ECAJ) which keeps an ever-watchful eye on things. In their report on anti-Semitism for 2004, after extensive data collection, it reported, under the heading Arab and Muslim Communities, that "Australia’s Arabic-speaking community is large and vibrant. While Jews are not a major concern or pre-occupation for this community, discussion of the Middle East can cross the line from lively political debate to the realm of religious and racial stereotyping." It then went on to refer vaguely to some isolated cases of anti-semitic statements in literature. Interestingly, it did not refer to anything other than Arab-Muslim literature. Strange ... at least from the perspective of islamisevil.com ... because 75% of Australia's Muslims don't hail from an Arabic background. Ooops.

Oh, and as the ECAJ states in its summary, "Incidents of assault, arson and vandalism in 2004 were recorded at a rate of just above the average of the previous 14 years, but well below the previous three years." It goes on to say that among other things, "vandalism" and "property damage" were above average, which suggests that assault and arson on their own have actually fallen below the average.

Meanwhile, the Muslim population has been growing at a rapid rate (according to the 2001 Census, 40% over 5 years). If the supposedly hate-mongering anti-Semitic Muslims really were hate-mongering anti-Semites, wouldn't you expect a massive increase in violence towards members of the Jewish community, rather than a decrease?

Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:01:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Sorry, but I never stated "How many Jewish people were assaulted mast year in the US or Australia?"

I merely copied and pasted _01's question as an illustration of the nonsense nature of the question.

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:15:00 am  
Blogger Jess said...

Hey Antony,

Just caught you on Speaking In Tongues (being television-less, I had to wait for the podcast).

Thought you handled yourself well. It would have been even better if I could have heard you talk or respond to something for longer than ten seconds before you were unfortunately shouted down. Heh x

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:01:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

neoleftychick said...

"The great irony in all this is that SBS rates AL's thoughts on geopolitics at the level of a passe third rate RSL act."

The other is to cosider that the Gutman is the best that the Zionists have to offer.

Ibraham. What is so nonesensical about askign you to proivide evidence that attacks on Jews are on the increase or above those on other enthnic groups. Would you liek me to rephrase it or is it that you don't know the answer? No problem if you don't.

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:04:00 am  
Blogger James Waterton said...

Addamo - I doubt it. Gutman was selected 'cos he's such a whackjob. SBS has a quite shocking bias. They would have gone out of their way to make the anti-Zionist case seem calm and reasonable, and the Zionist case seem utterly bananas.

If so, they hit a home run in their Zionist selection. Pity about the other guy.

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:15:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Your question had nothing to do with whether or not attacks were on the increase in those two regions.

Here is your question, perhaps your memory is as faulty as your thinking. - "Where is the alive and kicking anti-Semitism in the West? How many Jewish people were assaulted mast year in the US or Australia?"

Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:42:00 am  
Blogger house_music said...

Attn Anthony,
Reading some of the comments on here reminds me of spending time on Storm Front. Very interesting to read all the opposition to your educated thoughts and comments. That Austen Tasteless, well I can't even go there. Whilst reading more comments on this page, I very much find that many people who have posted comments are a lot more extreme and hardcore than I see on Storm Front. Anthony you are on the right track and keep it up.
A better place:
Chomsky: President of The United States of America.
Robert Fisk: Prime Minister of England.
John Pilger: Prime Minister of Australia.

Friday, January 20, 2006 3:20:00 am  
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