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Thursday, January 19, 2006

Chickens coming home

While Messianic settlers run riot in Hebron - a direct result of complicit Israeli policies over decades - further evidence emerges of lawless occupied territories:

"The military and police did nothing to prevent the felling of Palestinian olive trees despite having the names of the settlers responsible, the head of the Shin Bet security service claimed Tuesday.

"Yuval Diskin told the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defence Committee that the Shin Bet had handed over the names of members of the 'hilltop youth' from the West Bank settlements of Yitzhar and Itamar who were involved in uprooting the olive trees, but the security forces refrained from taking any action.

"According to Diskin, the Israel Defence Forces and Israel Police 'are turning a blind eye, and doing nothing to deal with this phenomenon.'"

Israel is currently experiencing a titanic battle between a majority population keen to maintain separation between synagogue and state and a rabid minority who don't recognise anything other than a state governed by Rabbinical teachings. This last group's ideology is little different to Islamic fanaticism.

Israel has only itself to blame for supporting, funding and protecting the settler movement since 1967. Furthermore, US tax dollars have long funded this occupation, a fact largely unknown around the world.


Blogger Wombat said...

I would beg to differ about the funding of the occupation by the US being unknown. I would have thought it was pretty obvious.

Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:42:00 am  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

I'm not so sure. Many US citizens have no idea, because the media rarely mentions it. Post the recent Gaza disengagement, Israel requested $2 billion in aid to assist. CNN conducted a rare poll and asked whether the US should pay. A huge majority said 'no'. It's impossible to say exactly why, but I suspect it's because many are uncomfortable supporting, with a seemingly open cheque, a nation in the Middle East.

Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:46:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

US citizens hacing no idea? Why an I not surpised?

Point taken.

Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:51:00 am  
Blogger jeffreg said...

you are such a pathetic loser AL, Tayshuss really showed you up for what you are; a self-hating jew.

Why is it your strange little site devotes SO much time to Israel but never mentions human rights abuses in Iran, Saudi, Egypt, Lybia...?

I suppose the truth hurts...just like the truth about Rachel Corrie...

Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:27:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Care to explain Jeffreg, why the US continies to support such tyranical regimies, from whom human rights abuses are seeded and condoned.

That you consider Gutman's effort to be anything other than that of a thug revelas what a lemming you are.

Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:31:00 pm  
Blogger Moodymann said...


Do you have an argument to make regarding this topic? or can you only change the subject like Tayshus because you cannot defend the settlers actions

Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:35:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Antony is not sure? Why not? Because it requires looking up facts? God forbid!

CNN doesn't conduct polls? Care to give a reference for that?

And since none of the comments have to do with settlers behavior, why is moody taking jeffreg to task?

Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:59:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

He said not so sure as in "I beg to differ".

Stop truing tro make an argument out of nothing Ibraham.Most American's wouldn't even be able to locate Israel on a map.

Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:11:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

I must admit, antony's argument is mostly nothing.

Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:53:00 pm  
Blogger Moodymann said...

Anything to say about the article Ibrahamav?

What is your view on the settlers? Do you think they have the right to set up jewish only communities in the west bank?

Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:48:00 pm  
Blogger violet said...

Oh my goodness look ...

The EU is actually holding Palestinians responsible for their own behaviour. I'm just waiting for Antony to come out arguing that this predicament is all the Jews fault

Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:15:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

jeffreg said...

I suppose the truth hurts...just like the truth about Rachel Corrie... "

And what is that truth ? She wasn't run over by an Israeli bulldozer? What?

Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:43:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

violet said...

" Oh my goodness look ...

The EU is actually holding Palestinians responsible for their own behaviour. I'm just waiting for Antony to come out arguing that this predicament is all the Jews fault "

In truth, they're sick of building infrastructure like airports in Gaza and then the Israelis gleefully blow it up. Why , the pure of arms even bombed a children's zoo the pox ridden whores.

Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:49:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

That's good news Violet.

I don;t knwo what you've been hearing all this time, but I dont; recall anyone saying the Palestinians bear no responsibility for their actions. Evryone does. What may have been said is that such actions are not born out of a vaccum but motivated by injustice.

So now we can stop pretending that the EU is a vast anti-Semitic conspiracy and also gice credibility to what hey have to say abto uIsrael's responsibility. Right?

Friday, January 20, 2006 12:12:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Now we know that it was a lie to state that the rampant palestinian war crimes are not motivated by a lack of justice.

No one is pretending anything. But antisemites are quick to imagine so.

Friday, January 20, 2006 12:41:00 am  
Blogger lewisinnyc said...

How dare Israel have a policy to allow Jews to return to Hebron (the second holiest city to Jews), from which they had been ethnically cleansed in the 1940s. Funny how those who support a right of return for Palestinians never seem to extend that same right to Jews.

Where are the lefties fighting for the rights of the Jews who were ethnically cleansed from Arab countries last century (or earlier - Yethrib anyone)?

What do you call it when people judge Jews by a stricter standard than other people? ... the word is on the tip of my tongue... starts with "a" and isn't "Antony" (or is it?)

Friday, January 20, 2006 5:55:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

That in itself is not antisemitism. After all, many people believe that Jews are a superior people and should act better than others.

We feel that those who have the benefits of living in a western democracy should act better than those living in Arab dictatorships.

Sort it is a sort of reverse racism when they expect Jews to be better than Arab Muslims.

Friday, January 20, 2006 6:51:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Antony, a well known self-hating jew, gives a perfect example; and I quote, "And as a Jew, I believe it is my responsibility to speak out when abuse occurs,".

On one hand, he denies any identification religiously as a Jew, other than pounding an occational latkes up his butt, but then he lays claim to the moral superiority so many believe we have, simply because his mother was jewish. Almost as if he is stating that he is better than others because of the accident of his birth.

And this racial superiority forces him to get on his righteous high horse and command others to do his will.

Friday, January 20, 2006 6:56:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

At least he feels he is racially superior.

Friday, January 20, 2006 7:20:00 am  
Blogger orang said...

I gotta hand it to you Ib, the other one-eyed looneys are just in for a quick poke and a punch, then disappear when confronted. However you just hang in there, swiping away, spitting....

Friday, January 20, 2006 7:59:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Can't let the worst segments of society win the big ones.

Friday, January 20, 2006 8:45:00 am  
Blogger Moodymann said...

you havnt answered my question Ibrahamav.

What is your view on the settlers? Do you think they have the right to set up jewish only communities in the west bank?

Friday, January 20, 2006 9:13:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Does the Government of Israel have the right to use the land it owns as it sees fit? Is that what you are asking?

What has the israeli Supreme court ruled when this notion was taken to court by Arab Israelis who felt discriminated by this policy you are inferring?

Friday, January 20, 2006 9:54:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Would that be the same Israeli Supreme Court that ruled the wall/fence, illegal?

Friday, January 20, 2006 10:15:00 am  
Blogger Moodymann said...

The israelis government owns land on the west bank now does it?

So you see no problem with white only towns in the former arpatheid south africa? I fail to see the difference between white only towns in SA and Jewish only settlements in the west bank.

Not to mention that the settlements are illegal under international law and contravine numerous UN resolutions not to mention the geneva convention.

Ibrahamav you are a racist of the highest order. And you have the nerve to call antony an anti -semite

Friday, January 20, 2006 11:07:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

More and more addamo flung here. The Israeli supreme court did not declare the fence to be illegal.

That moodyman fails to see the difference is merely moodyman's failure, nothing to do with legalities.

Strict reading of the Geneva convention and any other International law finds the 'settlements' to be quite legal.

Since moodyman's accusations are merely based on his faulty understanding of law, you can't blame him for being wrong. He's just ignorant.

Friday, January 20, 2006 3:40:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

Ibrahamav said...
"Strict reading of the Geneva convention and any other International law finds the 'settlements' to be quite legal."


Ib, you got about as much gall as a caged bear in China boy..Just as well we all accept you're a lunatic.

Friday, January 20, 2006 6:53:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

orang said...
Ibrahamav said...
"Strict reading of the Geneva convention and any other International law finds the 'settlements' to be quite legal."


Sure the world's most respected international jurists disagree with Ibby's learned judgements ... but what would these rank-amateurs know.

Friday, January 20, 2006 9:01:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Politically appointed people disagree with me? Oh my goodness!
Most antisemites make that same lame argument.

Strange how the facts prove them wrong.

Friday, January 20, 2006 10:06:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

It is time for the Israelis to deal with the Muslims in the only way the Muslim understands: With force. Kick the vermin into Syria, Egypt, and Jordan where the primitive whingers belong!

Friday, January 20, 2006 10:15:00 pm  
Blogger Edward Mariyani-Squire said...

neoleftychick said...
"It is time for the Israelis..."

Yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah. Heard it before. Say something new.

Friday, January 20, 2006 11:13:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Neo, no matter how desirable that might be, that is actually a violation of the law. And collective punishment. And all sorts of other things that are wrong. Our resident antisemite is correct for stating such, but that isn't why he stated it.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:16:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

I stand corrected. Israel’s Supreme Court did rule the fence legal.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:03:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Thank you.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:17:00 am  
Blogger Mannie said...

"Racial Superiority" - I get it now! the person who said this is really a white anti-semitic South African apartheid racist from the good old 1940s-1990s days. There are still quite a lot around! Just go to the local cricket matches or to Cronulla and join Australia First!
Vermin, primitive whingers? Tut tut tut! the pot calling the kettle white supremacist?

Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:18:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Got me on that mannie, I haven't the foggiest who or what you are accusing who of?

Are you stating the Loewenstein is a racist?

Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:27:00 am  
Blogger orang said...

Mannie said...
""Racial Superiority" - I get it now! the person who said this is really a white anti-semitic South African apartheid racist from the good old 1940s-1990s days."

Mannie, don't try and foster an image of ib as big cauliflower eared former rugby prop. He is a hunchbacked dwarf and will forever be so.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:27:00 am  
Blogger orang said...

Addamo_01 said...
"I stand corrected. Israel’s Supreme Court did rule the fence legal. "


"The International Court of Justice has rendered its advisory opinion on "the legal consequences arising from the construction of the wall being built by Israel, the occupying power, in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem." Though the near-term fate of the wall is unclear, subject as it is to international power politics, the Court's ruling, issued on July 9, speaks with the utmost clarity.

The wall is illegal. Israel must dismantle it, and pay compensation to Palestinians who have suffered financial or property losses as a result of its construction. No state should recognize the barrier as legitimate. The UN should act to implement the court's decision. On July 21, the General Assembly of the UN overwhelmingly agreed with the ICJ opinion, by a vote of 150-6 with ten abstentions. Interestingly, the General Assembly requested that the secretary-general register all damages caused to the Palestinians by the wall's construction."

Nidal Sliman
July 27, 2004

Holy shit, 150-6 with ten abstentions. That's AT LEAST 150 anti-semitic countries with only 6 pro-semitic (Australia's one , woo hooo) Now the abstentions we should think about. Are they anti or pro? F*ck it they got to be anti - you're either with us, or against us.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:37:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...
World Court fence ruling inaccurate, ill-informed
The ruling last year by the International Court of Justice on the separation fence between Israel and the Palestinians was based on erroneous and outdated information, Israel's State Prosecution said in a document submitted to the High Court of Justice Wednesday. The World Court almost totally ignored the terror attacks that made it imperative to set up the fence, the considerations that led to planning its route, and Israel's duty to protect its citizens, the State argued. The judges also inaccurately assumed that the fence would 'annex' 16% of the West Bank on the Israeli side, rather than the 3.3% actually included beyond the 1967 border.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:09:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

And this also lays waste to the ape's latest addamo run:

ICJ ruling another example of UN bias towards Israel
By Andrew Friedman

Canberra Times - Friday, 16 July 2004

Friday's decision by the International Court of Justice will go down in the history as just the latest example of anti-Israel bias at the United Nations. As similar proceedings a century ago in the southern US, when whites-only kangaroo courts would "convict" and hang black suspects without even the pretence of a fair trial, the ICJ "advisory opinion" was a foregone conclusion long before deliberations began in February.

Even the UN resolution requesting the ICJ to offer an opinion is couched in partisan language; by emphasising repeatedly Israel's supposedly "illegal" presence in the West Bank and stressing the opinion that Israel "refuse(s) to comply with international law vis-a-vis its construction of the above-mentioned wall", the General Assembly dictated the expected judgment to the ICJ. Moreover, while judges on the court are supposed to be independent, it is difficult to imagine Egyptian judge Nabil Elaraby, a long-time critic of Israel who had previously voiced an opinion on the fence, defying the stated position of the Egyptian Government to vote in favour of Israel. By employing admittedly biased judges the court has removed itself from any serious consideration.

By making no mention of the hundreds of Israelis who have died at the hands of Palestinian "freedom fighters" prior to the beginning of the construction of the fence, the court has earned its rightful place as an organ of the United Nations. Since Israel was founded in 1948 the UN has served as a hotbed of anti-Israel activity in almost every realm. The 400-plus anti-Israel resolutions are far more than any other topic, and fully 17 of the 25 emergency sessions held by the General Assembly have been in relation to supposed Israeli breaches. In contrast, other international crises, such as the Rwandan genocide, were not the subject of even one such session.

Similarly, the UN has never condemned Arab murders of Jewish civilians, anti-Semitism in any form, or Palestinian, Egyptian, or Jordanian breaches of peace treaties with Israel. To the contrary, UN forces in Lebanon are suspected of facilitating the kidnapping of three Israeli soldiers in October 2000 - after certifying that Israel had completely pulled out of that country - and the infamous 2001 UN Conference on Racism in Durban, South Africa was one of the most openly anti-Semitic rallies since the 1930s.

Whilst the ICJ decision will likely give succour to critics of Israel, even Israel's detractors must acknowledge that the fence has helped give Israel the first significant respite from Palestinian terror in nearly four years. It is no coincidence that no suicide bomber has penetrated the security fence that has surrounded Gaza for years, or that terrorist activity from the West Bank city of Jenin - once the terror hub for the northern West Bank - has virtually stopped since Israel completed a section of the fence near that city. Moreover, despite the genuine inconvenience it causes to some Palestinians near it, of all the measures available to Israel for responding to terrorist organizations, the fence clearly harms innocents the least.

Far from being the "illegal" wall the anti-Israel brigade insists it is, the project is similar to others in conflict zones around the world. For instance, Saudi Arabia, a country that has called the security fence an "internationally wrongful act", is building its own separation wall along its southern, undefined border with Yemen. In contrast to Israel, however, there have been no violent infiltrations to Saudi Arabia from the south, only a vibrant drug trade.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:11:00 am  
Blogger Glenn Condell said...

One day soon a majority of Americans will wake up to the damage their country's relationship with Israel has done them. It will take a hard landing economy-wise, but that is a prospect which looks more possible daily.

They will begin to understand how the agents of Israel who dominate this administration led the country into a disastrous war of world-historical importance more for Israeli than American imperatives - to the extent of fabicating 'evidence', threatening whistleblowers, and co-opting via a fellow travelling Likudnik journalist the nation's newspaper of record into the deception.

They will suddenly 'get' the fact that they have been the horse to Israel's rider; a big, strong, well-fed and complacent Tonto for this crowd of Lone Rangers to ride until it's exhausted it's usefulness.

They will wonder at the complicity of their media in this charade, and if they pursue that line of thought with ten minutes research, the wonder will turn into concern and even anger.

They will eventually realise that the massive fundumentalist Christian support for illegal Israeli expansionism rests solely on the childish belief, exploited to the full by Israeli hardliners who can't believe their luck, that God has ordained those lands as the place their 'rapture' or ascension to heaven, will take place.

They will read about how AIPAC and other Israeli influence shops in Washington financially intimidate politicians of both parties at every level from the local town hall to the White House, while at the same time fronting for Mossad by hosting spies busy stealing classified documets from the US government.

They will squirm a little more upon discovering that Jack Abramoff's comprehensive compromising of the governing class was another avenue of political control, and they might even say some bad words when they read that he too is an ultra-Zionist with links to settlement expansion, and to some of the shady casinos and banks around the world where the interests of the Sharon family, gunrunner Marc Rich and the Russian/Israeli mafia meet.

They will be outraged when they learn about the USS Liberty, and stunned that serious efforts are still being made to have Jonathan Pollard released, a man who fed shedloads of classified intelligence to Mossad.

Chins will be stroked and kitchen floors paced when a connection is finally made between the massive animus of the Arab world (and most of the rest of us too) and the occupation and oppression of the Palestinians by Israel, a crime backed without demur by the US for decades. The sheer obviousness of the best way to reduce that terror-inducing hatred; forcing Israel into withdrawal to within the Green Line, will burst free of the media straightjacket it's been trapped in for years.

It will begin to dawn on people that perhaps funding this troublesome and aggressive little ethno-religious enclave to the tune of 3 billion a year, with additional military largesse, is not such a good idea from a purely, pragmatically American point of view.

And when that happens, the honeymoon will be over. Divorce prceeedings may follow.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:42:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Poor Glenn. He's going to be pissed when he finds out that America is awake and that the vast majority of every day Americans fully support Israel.

They do so for two reasons; They believe the Jews are God's chosen and that the land belongs to the Jews. Secondly they can not stomach the palestinian people, especially when so many of them dance in the streets after they murder 4 little girls at point blank range in front of their pregnant mother.

America can not stomach it.

And when they read the addamo Glenn just crapped, straight from some white supremist hate site, they just reach in their pockets and send more money to help Israel maintain itself as the forefront of western civilization in the Middle east.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 2:22:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

How pregnant - I told you before, we're going to have to get the metrics down if we're going to grade atrocities.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:52:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

You don't need a stick, except to beat your self. The Palestinians have won the atrocity battle by a few hudred miles. That is why most Americans wonder if you need a breathing coach.

Sunday, January 22, 2006 12:59:00 am  
Blogger neoleftychick said...


Given that Israel's GDP is US$140 billion with a grwth rate of 4.3% somehow I don't think that the US taxpayer pays for Israel's settlers.

Did you know that Israel's per capita GDP is 5 to 7 times higher than all the surrounding Islamic cesspits.

Does anybody know if any "Palestinian" has ever had a day's work over the past 60 years? Or are they still bludging away on UNRWA, US aid, EU aid, terroris blood-money from Saudi Arabia and so on?

Sheesh and they think they "deserve" to be given a state.

Not a chance, I say. ;)

Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:39:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Neo, Just because it appears that we are better than everyone else in the region does not mean we should rule the region.

The US is better than all of the other American countries put together. That doesn't mean the US should rule them. Nor that the other people living their do not deserve their nations.

Besides, do you really want to be responsible for the welfare of 4 generations of people who have lived on the UN dime?

Monday, January 23, 2006 12:44:00 pm  

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