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Saturday, January 21, 2006

Dual loyalties

Marvel at the mainstream media's avoidance of this fascinating decision:

"Former Pentagon analyst Larry A. Franklin was sentenced Friday to a 12 years and seven months imprisonment for passing classified information to former American Israel Public Affairs Committee lobbyists [the leading Zionist lobby in the US.]

"Franklin was also found guilty of sharing classified information with Israeli diplomat Naor Gilon. He was also fined $10,000."

For more on this story - and evidence of an unhealthy relationship between the US and Israel, including the war in Iraq and a push to strike Iran - read here and here.

37 Comments:

Blogger violet said...

Antony

The fact that the FBI investigated this, charged him and prosecuted him is evidence that a healthy legal system is operating.

You appear to believe that when perpetrators are caught it is evidence that evil must be lurking in the government or the powers that be -- and here you are wrong -- for the real test is whether the authority in question go ahead and prosecute the criminal. In every democracy there will be crooks, the test is whether they are sought out and put on trial. Proof that they exist proves nothing except that we have a democracy.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:40:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Violet,

That's quite an interesting perspective you have there. An agent handing classified material to ISraeli lobbyists is a good thing? Surely you know that Franklin walked in on a 2 year surveilance operation that was focussed on two leading fugures from AIPAC. Both men resigned from AIPAC and are still under investigation.

The investigation was leaked prematurely, which essentially stopped the investigation dead in it's tracks. The first thing that APIAC and the ADL did was suggest that the investigation was the product of anti-Semites at the FBI.

There is much more to this story, as a numebr of whistle blowers have suggested. The fact that APIAC had direct channels right ot eh Office of Speacial Plasn, which essentially desgined the case and fabricated the evidence is alarming in itself.

And here you are, telling us it;s a good thing that Israel has been caught spying on the US. Something to be proud of no doubt.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:55:00 pm  
Blogger violet said...

No addamo, you have distorted my post.

What I said was that the arrest is evidence that things are working as they should.

Now, where did I say that I approve of spying or lying?
I didn't because I assumed that we all agree this type of behaviour is wrong and that perpetrators should be caught.

Unlike you and your lefty friends, I don't make excuses for abuse and criminal activity, just because my ideology doesn't support it.

As I've said before your thinking begins with conclusons addamo.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 2:46:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

But Israel wasn't spying in this instance. It was merely a case of an American doing a favor for a friendly nation while hoping to advance his career.

Additionally, the information he passed on was meant to save lives. Surely you couldn't expect a human being to sit on information that would save innocent lives?

Or are those lives worth less to you because they are Jewish?

Saturday, January 21, 2006 2:53:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

You don't even realise the trap you just stepped into Ibraham. You just confirmed the great "canard" the Israel pulls the strings in Washington. If Frankling was helping Israeli lobbyists in thehope of advnacing hsi career, then surely it measn that AIPAC is in a position to grant him that avenue.

The information Franklin passed on was classified, so how you can claim it was intended to save lives is absurd. Didn't Pollard make the same claim?

If Israeali lives were at stake, then what would the US keep the information from sharing it witrh them? Doesn't make any sense becasue it's BS. The investigation had already been runnig for two years before Franklin stumbled into the trap so there was already a lot of shady dealings going on involving AIPAC.

Steven Rosen and Keith Weisman are still under investigation. There is much more dirt to come out of this.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:08:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

He was hoping to advance his career, not that anything he did for the Israelis could actually do that. Such a little man with little thoughts.

And since you don't know what information Pollard passed on, other than it pissed washington off because they planned to use it as bargaining chips, you also lose that arguement.

So much addamo to wipe away each day, and so little time.

but it is easier than addamo.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:12:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Addamo_01 said...
"You don't even realise the trap you just stepped into Ibraham. You just confirmed the great "canard" the Israel pulls the strings in Washington."

You really do get your addamo from neo-nazi and islamofascist websites. You know what that makes you, you little pile of addamo you.

Have fun burying yourself in the little hole you dug and jumped into.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:15:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Ibrahamav said...

"And since you don't know what information Pollard passed on, other than it pissed washington off because they planned to use it as bargaining chips, you also lose that arguement.

So tell me Ibraham. What was Washington goign to bargain with and why? Do tell. I love conspiracy theories. Especially ones invented by paranoid schytzophenics.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:26:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Ibrahamav said...

"He was hoping to advance his career, not that anything he did for the Israelis could actually do that."

So how did he think he was goign to advnace his career Ibraham? Surely, there must have been discussions with the people from AIPAC abou this matter. Did they make promises to him they couldn't keep?

Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:27:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Have you asked Washington what info was passed? If not, why not? And why is your paranoia sacred?

Have you asked him yet? I haven't. Your little assumptions have all proved false in the past, this one is also false.

But your attitude isn't false and we all know what your agenda is.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:30:00 pm  
Blogger violet said...

by the way Antony,

This is the man whose book you cited as the finest of 2005? Loise Adler must be cursing that she invested money in this nut.

" MARK Latham has yet again shown why he was unfit for any political office, let alone that of leading the nation.

Mr Latham was within his rights to politely refuse, but instead resorted to violence, as he has in the past.

Mr Latham took a photographer's camera, tried to punch him, and called him a pedophile among other obscenities.

This disgrace was in front of Mr Latham's two young sons, whom he had paraded before cameras during his political career.

He lives on a $75,000-a-year taxpayer-funded pension. The newspaper had every right to ask him questions and to take photographs in a public street.

Mr Latham has profited by betraying confidences and breaking every ethical rule to try to besmirch the reputations of many people in his poisonous Latham Diaries.

If, as reported, Mr Latham later pulverised the $12,000 camera with a hammer in his back shed, it shows a disturbed mind.

What might have happened had this wild man of politics been elected prime minister? Thank goodness he wasn't."

Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:38:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Violet,

I have not read Latham's book, but apart from the usual jibe about ex politicians living high on the hog, the arguements are bereft of any facts or actual counter arguments to claims he makesin his book.

"Mr Latham has profited by betraying confidences and breaking every ethical rule to try to besmirch the reputations of many people in his poisonous Latham Diaries."

Sounds like the rational used by those that are trying to silence dissenting voices and whistle blowers. Confidences that mask corruption do not deserve to be protected. Those who's ethics are under question are hardl in a positino to decide what constitutes ethical rules.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:07:00 pm  
Blogger violet said...

addamo

Sounds like the rational used by those that are trying to silence dissenting voices and whistle blowers.

These comments were taken from the front page of the highest selling Australian newspaper.

You are such a typical Lefty. All blame and no reasoning.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:09:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Violet,

That's a pretty baseless remark when I pointed out that saw no comments to refute Latham's assertions.

What is it with right wingers. Everything issue is reduced to taking sides. What is this obsessin with demarcation lines.

Could you provide a link to the article. I wouldn't mind reading it.

Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:25:00 pm  
Blogger violet said...

addamo

Here's your link. It includes a photo of what lunatic Latham did to the photographer's camera.

Everything issue is reduced to taking sides. What is this obsessin with demarcation lines.

I don't blame you for not wanting to be assosiated with this fruitcake. Just think if you guys had your way, he would have been PM!

Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:54:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

poor, poor camera.

Sounds like Latham is a bit sensitive - however, you will never hear the whole story will you? Who knows what the press get up to. Is it possible they're quiet happy they're getting a reaction perhaps? I mean, what's so interesting about a man taking two children to Hungry Harry's or wherever. And what the f*ck has this got to do with a govt pension?
"Since leaving politics, Mr Latham makes $75,000 a year from his taxpayer-funded parliamentary pension for doing nothing."

Oooh for doing nothing heh? Just as well Latham was the one who moved the Libs to reducing their pensions otherwise he could have been making "more than $75,000 a year.....for doing nothing."

Saturday, January 21, 2006 5:57:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

...But back to the topic. Israel spying? Come on, it's a prank. It's for your own good. It's for humanitarian reasons. It's better if you didn't know. Don't worry, fageddabadit.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hundreds.html
"..Two terror suspects were apprehended in the Mexican Chamber of Deputies. Caught red-handed, they had in their possession a high powered gun, nine hand grenades, and C-4 plastic explosives (great stuff for demolishing buildings!) Within days, this blockbuster story not only disappeared from the Mexican press, but the Israelis were quietly released and deported! The two terrorists were Salvador Gerson Sunke and Sar ben Zui. Can you guess what their ethnicity was? Sunke was a Mexican jew and Zui was a colonel with the Israeli special forces (MOSSAD). (4)"

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/27/eveningnews/main639143.shtml
"(CBS) CBS News has learned that the FBI has a full-fledged espionage investigation under way and is about to -- in FBI terminology -- "roll up" someone agents believe has been spying not for an enemy, but for Israel from within the office of the Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3699252.stm
"NZ deports Israeli 'spies'
Kelman and Cara admitted being part of a crime gang
Cara and Kelman pleaded guilty but denied being Mossad agents
Two suspected Israeli spies have been deported from New Zealand after they finished jail terms for illegally trying to obtain a passport."

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=162902&contrassID=2&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
http://www.911-strike.com/dea-il-spy.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/litmus.html

Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:13:00 pm  
Blogger Progressive Atheist said...

Sunke was a Mexican jew.

Oi carumba!

Saturday, January 21, 2006 11:48:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

And even more fascinating as that no one has been charged with spying. This is all just a tempest in a teapot between good friends.

Sunday, January 22, 2006 5:19:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Not yet they haven't.

Fascinating is the trial that awaits the AIPAC guys, in which Franklin is set to testify.

Zionists are scrambling to assure us that there is no AIPAC spy scandal, and it is just anti-Semitism, you have to wonder what the twelve years are for. Franklin doesn't have to report to jail, but gets some time to consider whether he'd like a lower sentence in return for cooperating in nailing AIPAC.

It's seem likely that If he goes to court and reveals to Americans what AIPAC has been up to, it wil the the nail in th ecoffin for the 'special relationship' between Israel and the United States. Of course with this will come a denial that ISrael spies of the US, and besides, they promise not to do it again.

Good friends don't spy on each other.

Sunday, January 22, 2006 5:48:00 am  
Blogger orang said...

Progressive Atheist said..
" Oi carumba! "

Maniana in Jerusalem

Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:34:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Not yet? You have the procecutions papers that tell what they are planning? Or is it just a guess that would advance your particular agenda.
Fess up, eddie won't think anyless of you.

Seems that there is no spying by AIPAC, so no won is worried about a scandal based on the facts.

Good friends don't spy on each other? Than there are no countires who are good friends with any other country.

But then, this is another area where you really have no information, isn't it?

Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:41:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Ibraham,

You're going senile my friend. Or are you just confused? Did you forget that you wrote this?

"This is all just a tempest in a teapot between good friends."

Israel has been caugfht spying on the US, and dare I say, more often than has been publicised. So are the US and Israel friends or are they not?

Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:53:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Also, Grand jury indictments haev been handed down on Aug. 4 2005, against a senior Pentagon official and the two Washington-based APIPAC lobbyists.

You see Ibrhaam, I have no agenda. I just read the news. It's shills like yourself who are having to work full time to spin the news.

Must take a lot out of you.

Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:57:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

More than it's been publicised? You are privy to State papers stating such, or is this more of your knowledge based on guesses?

You have thrown such much addamo around, I dare say that no one can believe a word you say is based on any hard fact.

You have an agenda. It appears to be the same as eddies. You lie, but you just don't lie as well.

Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:08:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

I'm not lying at all. I just call it as I see it, as opposed to spining it to fit what I believe.

Just becasue you have perverse motives doesn;t mean that everyone else has. Paranoy ais a selfl fulfilling prophecy.

Sunday, January 22, 2006 1:43:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

You don't see with any knowledge. You see and guess. And your guesses are wrong. But you guess in accordance with your agenda.

Sunday, January 22, 2006 2:12:00 pm  
Blogger asdfsdafsda said...

Once again Ibratard describes himself to a "T" while claiming he is describing someone else! Why do you keep projecting your many, many, many flaws onto others Ibratard?

Sunday, January 22, 2006 2:26:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

AL/addamo

Sweetie, your desperation is getting tragic. What is teh big deal? The FBI caught and charged somebody asnd they've been jailed. And here we are all discussing it. So what is so "facsinating?"

You both really need to get out more. Hate and denial will send you both to an early grave you know.

Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:34:00 pm  
Blogger violet said...

You've gotta love Tim Blair.

Here is he is suggesting that Antony should get Osama to endorse his hate Israel book.

Oh and yes, I am changing the subject. You guys are getting boring.

Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:10:00 pm  
Blogger David Tan said...

I have not read this blog for a while. Addamo's nonsense put me off. It seems as if he has become worse in the last few weeks.

Sunday, January 22, 2006 11:05:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

neoleftychick said...

"Sweetie, your desperation is getting tragic. What is teh big deal? The FBI caught and charged somebody and they've been jailed. And here we are all discussing it. So what is so "facsinating?""

Firstly, I ntoced a large increase in the numver of posts delepeted by the admiistrator. Anmi right in guessing it's your diatribes which are failing to meet standards of decency?

For someone who boast aopenly abotu their intellect, you seem unable to make an argument without hissing like a ferral cat. Despreation indeed.

The big deal is that the FBI were after bigger fish, and Franklin walked into the investigation. The big deal is that the story is far from over.

David, do you have anything to actually contribute? Ho abtou putting your cards pon the table? Perhaps you might move beyond glib reliance on infatile and petulant remarks.

These shildish taunts are just ways of avoiding real and substantive debate.

Monday, January 23, 2006 3:06:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

Monday, January 23, 2006 12:29:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Like you, the FBI are after fish that do not exist.

There has been nothing to debate. Your guesses are not a subject for debate.

Perhaps why you guess as you do should be a subject of debate.

Antony's antisemitism is certainly up for a debate.

Monday, January 23, 2006 1:59:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Ibrahamav said...

"Like you, the FBI are after fish that do not exist."

Unless you have a ay to verify this, then you are clearly talking BS. But then, that's what you alwasy do isn't it?

Monday, January 23, 2006 2:12:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Since the FBI have caught nothing, it is obvious nothing exists.

Quit spreading addamo.

Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:16:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Interesting how our host antisemite is trying to disrupt the conversation. A desperation tactic to keep the truth off the blog.

Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:16:00 am  

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