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Monday, January 09, 2006

The good oil

Noam Chomsky, The Khaleej Times, January 6:

"There’s a good reason why the United States cannot tolerate a sovereign, more or less democratic Iraq. The issue can scarcely be raised because it conflicts with firmly established doctrine: We’re supposed to believe that the United States would have invaded Iraq if it was an island in the Indian Ocean and its main export was pickles, not petroleum."

14 Comments:

Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Just like the entire world has done next to nothing about Sudan?

Monday, January 09, 2006 1:20:00 am  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

Where was the oil in Haiti? Somalia? The former Yugoslavia?

Monday, January 09, 2006 7:56:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Secret stash. It's there. Addamo knows.

Monday, January 09, 2006 9:02:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Haiti was just an excercise in putting a leader in his place for daring to raise the minimum wage above $2 per hour. Can't let slaves and sweat shop countries start thiking they are entitled to a decent standard of living can we?

Somalia was a case of the US public being shocked into forcing their politicians into actually doing something for human rights rather than merely pretending that's what they stood for.

Yugoslavia? Who knows why the hell the US went into Yugoslavia. Most peple seem tothink they went in to save somebody, but then that;s what they said about Iraq.

Monday, January 09, 2006 10:01:00 am  
Blogger Shabadoo said...

Addamo, is every action of the United States government, at home or abroad, motivated by some mendacity? You strike me as the sort who would dismiss 1776 as just a bunch of rich guys hacked off about their tax bills.

Monday, January 09, 2006 10:20:00 am  
Blogger orang said...

shab, you strike me as the sort who'd defend the Redcoats against the breakaway terrorists in 1776.

Monday, January 09, 2006 11:05:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Shab,

I do believe that US foreign policy is entirely motoivated by self interest. For propaghanda purposes, they liek to paint their actions as humanitarian or liberating acts of goodwill.

I don't knwo how you can't paint the situation in Haiti as anything but shameful, when the US alligns itself with thugs and contract killers to overthrow a democratically elected leader, while in the same year declaring they are bringing democracy to Iraq.

I personally knew the mother of one of the photographers (Daniel Eldon) who's pictures raised awareness in the US about the situation in Somalia (http://www.daneldon.org/guestbook/guestbook.html). It took public outrage to jolt the government into doing anything, and even then, they completely fucked it up.

In fact, when the US tried to bomb the stronghold of one of the Somali warlods and true to form, got their targets mixed up, Daniel went to photograph the carnage and was stoned to death by the outraged mob.

Of course, you wont find any reference to that story in Black Hawk Down.

Monday, January 09, 2006 11:36:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Shab,

I do believe that US foreign policy is entirely motoivated by self interest. For propaghanda purposes, they liek to paint their actions as humanitarian or liberating acts of goodwill.

I don't knwo how you can't paint the situation in Haiti as anything but shameful, when the US alligns itself with thugs and contract killers to overthrow a democratically elected leader, while in the same year declaring they are bringing democracy to Iraq.

I personally knew the mother of one of the photographers (Daniel Eldon) who's pictures raised awareness in the US about the situation in Somalia (http://www.daneldon.org/guestbook/guestbook.html). It took public outrage to jolt the government into doing anything, and even then, they completely fucked it up.

In fact, when the US tried to bomb the stronghold of one of the Somali warlods and true to form, got their targets mixed up, Daniel went to photograph the carnage and was stoned to death by the outraged mob.

Of course, you wont find any reference to that story in Black Hawk Down.

Monday, January 09, 2006 11:36:00 am  
Blogger Savvas Tzionis said...

I use my own reaction to the Yugoslavia intervention for a possible reason for the US bombing.

The 90's was supposed to be the era of the end of warfare, yet the Yugo's, primarily the Serbs but the Croats and others are not blameless, threw a massive spanner in the works.

The western world was ready to show these spoilers that we will not take this anymore and therefore, the bombing, after 8 years of war, was considered justified by many....including me.

That is, until my friend gave me a dressing down for thinking as much.

If I remember rightly, the bombing was justified on the pretext of the Serbs not signing a document.

And I think the 'slaughter' of Kosovan Albanians only occured after the bombings started.

Monday, January 09, 2006 11:56:00 am  
Blogger orang said...

savvas,

You know, when the media goes beyond "we are the good guys,....they are the bad guys" people lose interest.
Too much complexity, (like the Serbs have done some bad things, but you know so have the Croats, and wow, so have the Bosnians...) and you get no support for wholesale bombings with smart bombs- made for TV wars.

If people are really interested, here's a start;

http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/kosovoarticles.htm

Monday, January 09, 2006 12:38:00 pm  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

OMG. What a scream! Noam Chomsky!!?? Who next? Bob Ellis? Noam Chomsky is a polemical crank and fraud for intellectually lazy and bovine American undergrads.

AL, sweetie, I implore you NOT to do the old Chomsky-plagiarise shuffle that so often poses as "analysis and research."

If you do, you'll get totally laughed out of town!

Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:56:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

and you don't like him because he tells the truth..and you can't handle the truth.
Perhaps you recommend Drivel from the Dershowitz Diaries as a better option for non-plagiarised and non-intellectual laziness?

Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:56:00 am  
Blogger CB said...

So Australia's involvment was so the US could get access to cheaper oil? Talk about a cunning plan...looks like we got gipped at the bowser over the past two years doesn't it?

Thursday, January 12, 2006 9:11:00 am  
Blogger neoleftychick said...

orang

Actually Chomsky does NOT tell the truth. He makes up quotes, he is addicted to inappropriate superlatives such "the leading scholar in this area...." "no serious analyst disagrees with this...." and on and on and on.

I read an article of his a few months ago and chased up every single footnote. The man is a gigantic fraud, a vampire who sucks on the ignorance of his fans.

Dershowitz's work is a selective summary of others, but he is more accurate in his represenation of the various UN Resolutions, the leading scholars from Benny Morris onwards. Dershowitz also uses a more accurate account of the US role in the Geneva/Camp David/Oslo processes.

Chomsky and just about every one of his followers in academia, including the very large US athiest Jew crowd, are very, very poor scholars when it comes to the middle east, particularly Israel.

Chomsky was an excellent disseminator of information about US foreign policy during the Vietnam war, but the Israel/Arab conflict takes a LOT more than being a mere data collector.

He has so much raw data that he picks and chooses which ever fits into his broader anti-capitalist framework.

He is a very immature scholar when it comes to history and geopolitics. I just cannot understand how so many people are so easily conned.

Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:28:00 pm  

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