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Wednesday, February 08, 2006

Borders to peace

Israeli's Acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert - and likely future Prime Minster - has announced his plans if Kadima wins the March 28 election. The Jewish state must "separate" from the Palestinians, he claims. An independent Palestinian state is impossible, however, if these ideas are implemented:

"We will hold on to the major settlement blocs (in the West Bank). We will keep Jerusalem united."

Hamas may have a few things to say about that, as they should. If the international community is serious about building a contiguous Palestinian state, Olmert's comments should be condemned as the expansionist Zionism that they are.

10 Comments:

Blogger OshKosh said...

Israel will do what it wants in this regard, and the world will do nothing about it.

And the world has no reason to do anything about it. The Palestinian people have said "No Peace" when they elected Hamas.

Wednesday, February 08, 2006 2:59:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

And before Hamas' election they were on the brink of a peace agreement? Haw Haw!

We know all about Israel's ability to do what it wants with no-one stopping them.

Their little quandary is not that they can't do what they want, but they want to be seen as being noble while they're doing it.

See, we're not destroying Mrs Habib's house because we want the space. No, we're doing it because Hamas are a terrorist organisation and they won't renounce violence and they deny the Holocaust, and they want to push us into the sea! LMPG!*
Can you blame us?

You get it, don't you?

*Let my people go.

Wednesday, February 08, 2006 3:50:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

And what kind of peace did Israel have in mind when they supported and finance hamas during it;s birth in the early 70's and 80's OshKosh?

What kind of peace did Israel have in mind when it elected a war criminal to become it's leader?

Simple minded ignorance.

Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:04:00 pm  
Blogger Rich Bowden said...

"And what kind of peace did Israel have in mind when they supported and finance hamas during it;s birth in the early 70's and 80's OshKosh?"

Strong accusation Addamo. Can you support this with links etc?

Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:38:00 pm  
Blogger orang said...

rich bowden,
if you really want to know:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/SZA204A.html
http://www.mideastweb.org/hamashistory.htm
http://www.upi.com/inc/view.php?StoryID=18062002-051845-8272r
http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?article_class=3&no=271347&rel_no=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_watson_012703_hamas.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/news_alert_hamas4.html
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/2902isr_hamas.html

Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:52:00 pm  
Blogger Wombat said...

Indeed Rich,

Strogn accustations and strong evidene to support it.

That's Orang. I was getting a little tired of having to repeatedly paste these links.

Rich, you might also want to check out this interview with Robert Dreyfuss on the subject:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/26/151252&mode=thread&tid=25

Thursday, February 09, 2006 12:27:00 am  
Blogger Viva Peace said...

addamo

What is your agenda on this site? Are you aligned with a political group of some sort? You have posed this Israeli-Hamas link many times on this blog. What are you trying to prove?

Why would you regard it as a bad thing that in the 1970s Israel provided some funding for a religious-inclined group to support the Palestinians with social services and pastoral care? Are you trying to say that Israel should not have done this?

This was 25 years ago! Yes, Hamas, like much of the Muslim world turned to radical and violent political Islam, but not until the 1980s.

Are you going to tell us that in 1789 the US Democrats didn't support the Jacobins and therefore we should all believe that Hillary Clinton is secretly a monarchist?

Please. You seem to have an obssessive hate for Jews that is very unnerving in the current climate.

Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:26:00 am  
Blogger Wombat said...

Viva Peace said...

“What is your agenda on this site? Are you aligned with a political group of some sort? You have posed this Israeli-Hamas link many times on this blog. What are you trying to prove?”

I have no agenda. I am just fed up with blinkered and simplistic crap about Hamas this and Hamas that from those who are evidently ignorant of where Hamas got it's beginnings.

As you can see, the history of Hamas was news to Mr Bowden.

It is also very pertinent to many of the conflicts taking place in the world right now. It is an example of blowback, a lesson which the US and Israel seem unwilling to learn from.

“Why would you regard it as a bad thing that in the 1970s Israel provided some funding for a religious-inclined group to support the Palestinians with social services and pastoral care? Are you trying to say that Israel should not have done this? “

While you are correct that Hamas provided these services (and did so most efficiently), these were not the reasons Israel supported them. You cannot deny that Israel’s agenda was purely to produce a foil for the PLO.

“This was 25 years ago! Yes, Hamas, like much of the Muslim world turned to radical and violent political Islam, but not until the 1980s.”

25 years is a very short period of time. Approximately 25 years ago, the Soviets went in Afghanistan, did they not? And who was arming the mujahadeen at the time? Are you not starting to see a picture here?

Hamas were opposed to the PLO and had long standing conflicts with them. Israel saw this as an opportunity to split the Palestinian movement. The oldest trick n the book – divide and conquer.

“Are you going to tell us that in 1789 the US Democrats didn't support the Jacobins and therefore we should all believe that Hillary Clinton is secretly a monarchist?”

The Jacobins are just a bunch of parasites who shape shift to any political party that happens to hold the reigns of power. The Republican’s are playing host at the moment. What’s your point?

“Please. You seem to have an obssessive hate for Jews that is very unnerving in the current climate.?"

I have no hate for Jews at all. You seem to have mistaken me for someone who does. Jews are just people, like any other and whther a person is Jewish or not makes no difference to me.

None of my posts ever mention Jews, though they may certainly mention Israel. Two very different issues.
Yes I do take exception to Israeli policies towards Palestinians and Israel’s unconstructive influence in Washington.

Thursday, February 09, 2006 10:18:00 am  
Blogger Progressive Atheist said...

Recently we had a poster named Neoleftychick who was anything but a lefty. Now we have a poster named viva peace who is anything but a peacenik.

Both are using the same modus operandi of using their names to pretend to be the opposite of what they are. Maybe they are the same dishonest person.

Thursday, February 09, 2006 10:29:00 pm  
Blogger Progressive Atheist said...

Kadima Chairman Ehud Olmert, Labor Party head Amir Peretz and Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu will declare their support for the legislation of a comprehensive constitution for the state of Israel in a special session of the Knesset plenum scheduled for February 13 to mark the founding of parliament. This is something the ultra-Orthodox Jews have traditionally opposed because it "usurps" the Torah.
http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasen/spages/679516.html
and http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/

I hope there is provision for the separation of "church and state," or should that be "synagogue and state"?

But is that really likely? Can anyobe imagine what a secular Israel would look like? It would virtually end the apartheid state since it would cease to give Jews preferential treatment.

Friday, February 10, 2006 1:28:00 am  

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