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Sunday, October 09, 2005

Imperial masters see past their delusions

"Senior U.S. officials have begun to question a key presumption of American strategy in Iraq: that establishing democracy there can erode and ultimately eradicate the insurgency gripping the country.

"The expectation that political progress would bring stability has been fundamental to the Bush administration's approach to rebuilding Iraq as well as a central theme of White House rhetoric to convince the American public that its policy in Iraq remains on course.

"But within the last two months, U.S. analysts with access to classified intelligence data have started to challenge this precept, noting a "significant and disturbing disconnect" between apparent advances on the political front and any progress in reducing insurgent attacks."

Tyler Marshall and Louise Roug, LA Times, October 9

15 Comments:

Blogger Iqbal Khaldun said...

The naivity of the world's most cynical decision makers never seizes to amaze. That article reads like something The Onion, which is a worry to say the least.

Sunday, October 09, 2005 6:34:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Naive - yes. But not cynical, just hopeful that freedom to the Iraqis meant the same thing that it does to Americans.

Apparently not. They just want a kinder tyrant.

Sunday, October 09, 2005 10:28:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

The Iraqis would have security were it not for the minority Sunni population that is pissed that they are not rulling over the majority Shi'ites.

The Sunnis want what the white South Africans had.

And your 100,000 figure is wrong. But don't worry, the Sunni terrorists will soon up the body count.

Monday, October 10, 2005 3:30:00 am  
Blogger Human said...

The Iraqis would have security were it not for Corporate power, religous fanatics like Bush and the blind support of people like ibrahamav. No WMD. No Saddam-Osama-bin forgotten ties.
Not welcomed as liberators. That is the truth no matter how many times the lie is chanted.

Say ibrhamav, has the Butcher of Sabra and Shatilla Sharon invited you to his dacha yet?
Bring toothpicks if he does. Rumour has it that although tender the flesh of Palestinian children really sticks to the teeth.

The 100,000 figure is wrong. But don't worry, the Amerikkkans will soon up the body count.

your fellow Human

Monday, October 10, 2005 6:31:00 am  
Blogger Human said...

Now for what I came to ask you Antony, is it true that Australia has compulsary voting? I read that one if able must vote or be fined.

Monday, October 10, 2005 6:35:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

You are not a fellow anything, except perhaps a follower of iraqi terrorists.

No, the Americans were not welcomed as liberators, too bad. But the Sunni's and saddam had already won the propaganda war.

Why would some Lebanese invite me to a dacha? And why do you eat Palestinian children?

Monday, October 10, 2005 6:59:00 am  
Blogger Human said...

Well now we know you are so out of touch that you think Sharon is a Lebanese. It's been fun, however from now on you like most fanatics are to be ignored.
your fellow Human(whether you like it or not).

Monday, October 10, 2005 7:14:00 am  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

As an aside, Australia does have compulsory voting, but there are moves to change this to voluntary...

Monday, October 10, 2005 8:43:00 am  
Blogger Human said...

Thanks for responding Antony. I got the info from a story about that Brit Hoon who is thinking about doing the same in great(small case intented) Britain. I have met only a few Aussies in my hoped for half life and all seem to be happy people. It seems that the people of Australia respond to the same hate and fear that is shoved down the throats of we Americans.

This article I found very interesting - http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/100905B.shtml
As a Amnesty International member I found it so. It is on topic as far as "the political" situation in Iraq.
your fellow Human

Monday, October 10, 2005 8:58:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

The butchers of the palestinian camps in Lebanon were Lebanese. And they don't deny it.

Monday, October 10, 2005 9:56:00 am  
Blogger Antony Loewenstein said...

Ian, fair point. Once you're in that polling booth, it's open season on opinion.
And, really, re Lebanon and the Palestinian camps. Is Ibrahamav ever capable of seeing fault with Israel? The Israelis, led by Sharon, directed the massacres. Fact.

Monday, October 10, 2005 11:45:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Since they did not direct the massacres, there is no reason for me to find anything.

I am open to the truth, but if you want to make things up, then you are on your own.

Does Israel have faults? Of course it does, just like every other country on earth. But it is better than any arab country, better than most african and asian countries, better than many Soth American and eastern european countries, and equal to many western European, Oceana, and north american countries.

Any reason why no lebanese arab has ever been errested, tried, or punished for the murder of 900 arabs on Lebanese land?

Monday, October 10, 2005 12:16:00 pm  
Blogger Human said...

Peace to you and yours ian. Terrorism is a method and as such can not be "defeated", either militarialy or otherwise. There always has been individuals who will kill others because they believe they hane a just right to do so.
As the "news" here tells us Aussies have given up a lot of rights in the name of fighting terrorism. That is what I meant about being like Americans. The response to hate and fear. I put it poorly before.

The stats you site are just further proof we Humans are our worst enemy. To make my self clear man's inhumanity to man, knows no bounds.

It is the children who to me that are the only innocents.

It is good to hear that indeed Aussies are happy. Maybe that is because of a less crowded country and a more monolithic point of view?

your fellow Human

Monday, October 10, 2005 1:19:00 pm  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

So, Ian keeps playing the old game of "Blame the Jew". Before it was "blame the Jew" for the fact that lebanese Arabs murdered Palestinian Arabs.

Now it "Blame the Jew" for the fact that the Lebanese government has never charged, arrested, tried, nor punished the Lebanese Arabs who murdered the Palestinian Arabs.

Then lets bring in a one-sided story from 50 years ago.

Ian, like to provide any facts? Or is antisemitic BS more to your taste?

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:50:00 am  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Ian, the commission did not exonerate the actual murderers, they merely assigned 'political' blame for failure to prevent murderous arabs from murdering arabs, much as you'd blame the police for failure to prevent a riot and then charge them with the murders which they actually had no part in.

Still no real answer for the fact that the lebanese Government has failed to attempt to charge, arrest, try, or punish any of the actual murderers even though several lived in Lebanon, unprotected by Israelis, for many years.

What is dirt babling about?

Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:28:00 pm  

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