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Saturday, October 22, 2005

Hostile regime

Or so says the US about Venezuela. And yet the Israeli arms industry cares little for diplomacy or morality, unless its hand is forced:

"Israel cancelled a lucrative deal to upgrade Venezuelan warplanes under American pressure, Israeli media reports said Thursday.

"Israel Television said Israel was to install its own systems in U.S.-made F-16 fighters for the Venezuelan air force, but the U.S. forced Israel to call off the deal. No dollar figure for the deal was given."

7 Comments:

Blogger Pete said...

Yes the arms trade is inherently amorol, but, I can see the US arms industry seeing the Israeli's as a competitive threat in a traditional US pissing patch - Latin America.

Under the guise of morality the US can impose a heavy handed trade restriction on Israel.

Crikey "Venezuala is the new Cuba" and it was only 43 years ago that Cuba was almost a threat in the "Cuban" missile crisis (actually a Russian missile crisis).

Goddamit those Venus-whalens are gonna host missiles aiming at Texas next!

Saturday, October 22, 2005 9:59:00 pm  
Blogger Human said...

By a least 1 source last year Isreal surpassed the U.S. in Arm sales. I also understood that Venezuela had aquired the newest MIGs that as usual are much better than anything the U.S.has. It was my understanding these Aircraft were being supplied by Russia and Venezuela pilots were to receive training from the Cuban Airforce.
Peace. yf Human

Saturday, October 22, 2005 11:00:00 pm  
Blogger Human said...

I'm siding mostly with Anthony on this 1 Addam_o1. There Rusia and the U.S. do compete, however strike capalities have been availible for decades. It is the Fundigelicals and Energy and Mil. Corporations that are the driving force in building these bases. It is Iran and Syria that are being surrounded.

Sunday, October 23, 2005 2:50:00 pm  
Blogger Human said...

And the South Central Asia Energy resources that are being secured.

Sunday, October 23, 2005 2:52:00 pm  
Blogger Andjam said...

Just because the US says that Venezuela has a bad regime, doesn't mean it isn't true.

I'm a little disappointed at Israel about this.

I'm also a little surprised that Chavez is dealing with the Zionist entity. I would have thought close relations with the PA would be more likely. Norberto Ceresole might like to talk with Abu Mazen about his PhD thesis.

Sunday, October 23, 2005 3:31:00 pm  
Blogger Pete said...

Anthony

In response to your question:

I'm not dismiising "the fact the the Cuban Missile Crises was a threat to the US" I'm pointing out that independent Latin American countries like Cuba and Venezuala pose no threat to the US unless they are used as a springboard by some other power (the only example was Russians in Cuba in 1962).


However since 1962 US declarations that its little Latin American neigbours have been threats are sabre-rattling, defence budget boosting beatups - often pushed by Miami's Cuban emigre community.

Concerns about a "Russian combat brigade in Cuba" (Jimmy Carter, around 1978) and a few Russian made fighters in Venezuala are "pissing in the wind" when you compare it with the US ability to bomb Belgrade (a country relying on Russia) with little discernable Russian opposition.

Seperately I wouldn't confuse the ability of MIG 29s and Su 27( to 35) to "turn and burn" with their being on a par with F15s, F18s or F22s. These western fighters have the radar and missile avionics to shoot down the Russian fighters long before the dogfighting ability of the Russian fighters can be brought come into play.

Also time and again its been demonstrated in the Middle East that its the quality and training time of the pilots that counts (where the West (and Israel) has always been ahead).

Having a few Russian made jets in Malaysia, Venezuala etc goes more to politically rubbing it into the West than providing a viable jet fighter force.

Monday, October 24, 2005 1:05:00 pm  
Blogger Human said...

Peace to you and yours IAN. Yes I agree American Pilots are better trained, however I doubt that MIGS have been surpassed. They have always been better. Training does matter and that is why Americans usually win in the air(Yes AWACS and other stuff helps). The Cuban Af is anything than 3rd world. I use to stay up on top of military matters so, theyCuban AF) may have fallen off a bit. The supposed targets of any Cuban or Venezuelan are (defensive) ACC battle groups and the (offensive)Gulfo de Mexico oilrigs/lines.
Peace. yf Human

Monday, October 24, 2005 7:43:00 pm  

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